r/ChainsawMan • u/JeanneDAlter . • Jun 20 '23
[DISC] Chainsaw Man - Ch. 133 links Discussion
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u/insert_name_here Jun 25 '23
There are few things I find more satisfying than seeing a “disaffected cool guy”-type character lose his composure. If he actually thought this type of gambit would work then Yoshida is a fucking idiot.
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u/NinjunoBR Jun 25 '23
We knew, and still know, NOTHING about Yoshida up to this point. How is this a character assassination??
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u/SomeSteveFella Jun 25 '23
Bro if you wanna see character assassination then go read Aot
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u/Flamethrowerman09 Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
How about you go read the One-Punch Man manga. That's like character assassination central (when it comes to manga).
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u/Sweet-Message1153 Jun 23 '23
so...this part 2 storyline will lead to Agnipath?
*remembers FP ending :22157::22157::22157::22157::22157::22157::22157:
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u/BEWMarth Jun 23 '23
I wonder if you can make a type of “contract” with a hybrid. In a similar way that humans can make contract with Devils.
I wonder if that’s what Yoshida was trying to accomplish by forcing Denji to agree to not be Chainsaw Man anymore it would somehow bind him to the commitment.
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u/Karpattata Jun 25 '23
I mean Denji has lied to a bunch of people after becoming Chainsaw Man. He changed his mind about becoming Makima's dog and that was about as contractlike as things can get. So I don't really see why this particular promise would have been more effective.
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u/RenaudBlais2 Jun 23 '23
I gotta say the pacing these last two chapters have been kinda off. When both started I felt whiplash, like "wait did I skip a chapter?" They both just start with a small but jarring forward timeskip. Also I do not like how Nayuta was taken in last chapter only to be released right away. We didn't even get to see her reaction in captivity.
Also also while Yoshiba's faces are funny, it feels weird why he would loose composure now all of a sudden. He should be used to Denji's shit by now, no?
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u/Karpattata Jun 25 '23
In fairness it's not like they had a feasible way of keeping Nayuta in confinement anyway. They couldn't meaningfully restrain her without permanently antagonizing Denji (he says so himself), but unless you go to veeeeeery extreme lengths how are you going to stop the Control Devil? Sure she only has a fraction of the number of slaves Makima had, but she can still regenerate and enslave more goons in a pinch.
I seriously think Nayuta just went along with getting captured to see where Denji was taken and then immediately commanded her captors to let her go once she saw him. The guy who had her was very clearly not supposed to have released her.
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u/Puffpuff17 Jun 23 '23
top comment was speculating on hybrids possibly having similar contract rules to devils. maybe he lost his composure bc he needed Denji to agree to seal him into a contract?
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u/kojoov Jun 22 '23
I’m getting hype, not to get too predictive, but Denji feels like he’s becoming the a combo of Agni and Sun from Firepunch, sort of like a willful deity
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u/somerandomguyuno Jun 22 '23
Denji kinda felt like Miles (from across the spiderverse) in this chapter
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u/Fly_guyyy Jun 22 '23
This chapter was too wholesome somebody is going to die
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u/mincedgreenonion Jun 23 '23
Somebody as in singular tense? That sounds generous
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u/NoDount Jun 22 '23
It could be because of the presence of Fakesaw that Yoshida wants to pressure Denji into giving up playing Chainsawman. However, no matter how you look at it, using Nayuta as a means of coercion is really excessive.
But it does remind me of the situation where Yoshida was determined to challenge Quanxi earlier. In essence, Yoshida is probably a teenager who tends to act impulsively.
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u/kojoov Jun 22 '23
I think you believe Yoshida is a good actor and Public Safety is as downbad as in part 1 (in terms of general lack of resources), then supporting Fakesawman could be worthwhile to Public Safety. It reminds me of Cersei and the High Sparrow in GoT, she supports him until he’s able to get over on her.
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u/drop_of_faith Jun 22 '23
I'm just more happy to see how god awful wrong a lot of people are. I love theories as much as the next guy but they need to be based on what's actually in the manga.....
Besides that. I don't know if I'm happy or anxious that fujimoto's not fucking around with pacing. 1 chapter to resolve the abduction of denji and nayuya.... and 2 chapters to introduce the chainsawman cult and the aftermath of the falling devil.
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u/slowakia_gruuumsh Jun 22 '23
You mean you don't absolutely love reading Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus-type rants that theorize every other character as the Death Suicide Debiru?
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u/biggigantichipponuts Jun 22 '23 edited Jul 05 '23
interesting to see some emotion from yoshida. i already feel like nayuta's going to end up dying in the end
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u/Lightbrand Jun 22 '23
Is there a page missing between Nayuta shouting Denji and him calling his supporters to beat the guy up? Seems like a nonsensical transition, like why is she even there is it because they anticipated he'd cave? Or were they going to shoot Nayuta in the head right there if Denji refused?
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u/striker999999 Jun 22 '23
The guy in charge of her just fucked up
Also the guy getting punched is just in the brawl, the perspective of the panel is Denji from Nayuta's pov (I can assume) since she's standing kind of in the middle of the entire fight
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u/Karpattata Jun 25 '23
Pretty sure Nayuta told him they were done talking so he could let her go. What was he gonna do, say no? Lol
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u/mincedgreenonion Jun 22 '23
Random night time thought
A chainsaw is difficult to operate without some power behind it and having control of the front. It'll go haywire otherwise.
Metaphorical writing - maybe
Overthinking - more likely, but I also expect something left field like that after reading Fire Punch.
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u/lordsheno Jun 22 '23
I want that weed.
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u/mincedgreenonion Jun 22 '23
I don't have any of that to offer unfortunately, my head is fucked naturally.
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u/qtUnicorn Jun 22 '23
I wonder how difficult Nayuta would be to kill now that she can no longer cheat death via her contract with the prime minister.
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u/__M-E-O-W__ Jun 23 '23
Probably no more difficult than anyone else, save for the devils ability to resurrect by drinking blood.
If I was Denji, I'd keep several small vials of blood and give some to Nayuta as well just in case they end up getting attacked.
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u/ItsTheRealSakurai Jun 22 '23
I feel like since she’s a kid it will be more fucked up now. Like she made a contract with a kid for crackers and she got like some wild shit.😂😂
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u/DemonFrage Jun 21 '23
This part’s getting real interesting. We all have to remind ourselves that despite denji liking the people fighting for him, he’s growing weaker because of it. Now, he might even be weak enough that Yoshida could take him in a fight, albeit we don’t know the true extent of his power even with how long we’ve known him. This means that despite Denji acting the way he doesn’t really care about Yoshida’s threat, if he becomes chainsaw man again Nayuta may be in some serious danger, and currently it’s unknown if Denji could defend her from public safety. Not only that, if Denji is strong enough to take on public safety we don’t know what types of tactics they could use against him. For example, we don’t know the status of the current blood devil.
With how happy this chapter felt, I wouldn’t be surprised if within the next 5 chapters we’ll see a major character death, and it’s looking like either Yoshida or Nayuta is on the list for most likely.
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u/__M-E-O-W__ Jun 23 '23
Honestly a theory I had from the last chapter, I think Fami and the Chainsaw Church are intentionally trying to weaken Denji by making people celebrate him.
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u/neon93 Jun 22 '23
It's unclear if hybrids are affected by fear and love the same way full devils are. I mean Denji doesn't seem to be any weaker than he was in part 1
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u/neotox Jun 24 '23
Wasn't there a plot point in part 1 of Denji getting weaker because people started seeing him as a hero and weren't scared of him? Or am I misremebering?
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u/neon93 Jun 24 '23
No you're right, but that was Pochita in his devil form. Denji's hybrid form seems to not have lost any power.
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u/WhatIsThisAccountFor Jun 22 '23
Tbh I don’t think he’s growing weaker. There are protesters against chainsaw man just as there are protesters for him. I think the ones against him outweigh the ones for him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all this recognition ends up making him stronger. Chainsaws aren’t super scary on their own, so fear of humans wasn’t ever what drove Denji’s strength, it was fear from devils. Now people know ChainsawMan is a devil in itself, and I think there are likely more people protesting against than the people in favor of him. I’m pretty sure that would make him stronger, considering devil’s fear of the chainsaw has only grown as Denji decides to actively search out and kill them.
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u/DemonFrage Jun 22 '23
Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Fujimoto decides to do something absolutely wild and kill off Denji himself, and make another character the new chainsaw man. There’d be a number of reasons to do this, but one thought of mine would be to make Asa the new main character and have Denji exist in a more spiritual way.
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u/hsapin Jun 21 '23
This chapter was almost too happy. I think tragedy is right around the corner.
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u/Halvalon Jun 21 '23
Denji and Nayuta’s relationship is just so wholesome with some funny quirks to liven it up. It was also pretty satisfying to see Yoshida express frustration and emotion in general for the first time.
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u/slowakia_gruuumsh Jun 21 '23
Denji and Nayuta loving each other >>>>>>>
I guess that things now might start for real? Yoshi's last line felt like something you'd say before starting a war.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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u/Izzynewt Jun 21 '23
For me this chapter shows that the fear of chainsaw man created the chainsawman devil
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u/RoundaboutCast Jun 21 '23
Happy to see the start of a new arc, and so far it's looking like it's gonna answer a lot of mysteries we'd been pondering about.
You can check out our review of the entire Falling Devil Arc in our discussion podcast!
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u/XxneomenixX Jun 21 '23
Why is no one talking about denji and Nayuta. That shit was the most hype for me
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u/GassyTac0 Jun 21 '23
I thought that it was Nayuta who said "I chose both!/Kill him!" And she was the one that told the other guy to let go of her to go to Denji.
Either that or both Denji and that guy are dumb as a sack of bricks
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u/neon93 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
This Chainsaw Guy is super cool and doesn't afraid of anything
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u/YohaoX Jun 21 '23
I have a feeling nayuta now controls some members of public safety
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u/4QON_Alt-tab Jun 22 '23
Maybe... but I think after the threats, Nayuta may try to make a deal with the prime minister.
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u/DemonFrage Jun 21 '23
Yeah, that’s what this seems like.
Either that or that guy just dumber then Denji, which’d make sense considering the stupider and more insane the person, the better candidate for devil hunter. Means any decision made is loose at best, and even the best of plans or decisions made by higher ups can easily fall apart if they just happen to use someone that’s not fully there in the head.
That’s probably cope though. Probably just an asspull and nothing else.
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u/OddAvenger Jun 21 '23
I feel like Fujimoto is talking a lot about himself this chapter. Where people argue and fight over his creative works. His work is becoming bigger than himself. I wouldn't be surprised if Fujimto is talking to his readers through Yoshida when he's says that Public Safety is going to kill Nayuta. I'm going to have to sit on this one.
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u/altawoof Jun 21 '23
I got the same feeling. This just reminded me the negative reception the anime got and the never ending manga Chainsawman has turned out
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u/OddAvenger Jun 21 '23
I feel a little bad about the situation, but Fujimoto has pretty dark humour in him. I think whatever he takes from his experiences working on this thing, he can make art out of it. I guess the positive side of this is that he's both creator and reader. He enjoys the attention, but he knows he's gotta move on eventually. I think he's intentionally given himself a doomsday clock, so that he can't fall into the trap where creative works go on too long. He needs to square things away, so he's just gonna go all out. I mean if it's going to end, he can do anything he wants. That's sorta liberating.
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u/ElaineLeFey Jun 21 '23
To that random Public Safety guy that released Nayuta too early: YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!
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u/MrWaffles3113 Jun 21 '23
The most likely situation here is Nayuta controlled the dude with her into letting her go earlier then intended and fucked up their entire plan.
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u/Icy_Fun_2466 Jun 21 '23
dont really get the confusion with this chapter. denji was kidnapped probably so he wouldnt go after public safety for taking nayuta, thereby giving yoshida a chance to talk to him. taking denji out to eat and directly showing him what hes causing by being chainsaw man is the most effective way to get a point across to him, and it clearly works. nayuta's immediate release is just a bit of comedy, but works bc of course they'd think that denji would agree. the point of this chapter i feel is to show public safety's inability to contain chainsaw man, the impending apocalypse scenario and everything else. why pretend that theyre some powerful big bad when everything else up until this point proves otherwise?
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u/ayrtow Jun 21 '23
The one thing that did not sit well with me was: Where the fuck is Kishibe? I think he'd have a much easier time talking to Denji than Yoshida
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u/One-Sample7906 Jun 21 '23
Probably because Yoshida is doing it by himself
He probably had to contain Denji but I think the rest he made up
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u/gyaruchokawaii Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Yoshida's threats don't mean shit. The only one who can defeat Nayuta is probably Chainsaw Man himself. He just doesn't want Denji to be turning into CSM for some reason. Also bold of him to assume Denji can be reasoned with lol.
Edit: It's amazing how you guys remember stuff from several chapters back. My goldfish brain can't even remember who Kishibe is.
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u/neon93 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
They could just shoot her. She doesn't have the contract with the PM that Makima had which made her borderline immortal. Nayuta can die just like anyone else now.
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u/gyaruchokawaii Jun 21 '23
Someone else also mentioned this but I feel like this particular scene has been completely wiped out from my memory or maybe I skipped a few chapters lol. If that's the case, then it would make sense that Yoshida could make those threats, though it seems like he didn't really want to harm Denji and Nayuta.
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u/Incestuous_Alfred Jun 22 '23
Go back to chapter 84. It's the big infodump, so that's your best shot at remembering whatever it is that you forgot.
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u/eugenedebsghost Jun 21 '23
It reminds me of the first diner scene with Yoshida and Denji.
“If you don’t do what we want we will take your home, your food, and everything you have that was have given you” and he demonstrated this threat by taking the cutlery from him.
Denji being Denji basically said “That’s fine. I eat with my hands” with the implied “and there is nothing I won’t do to you if you tried”
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u/criticalopinion29 Jun 22 '23
The thing is, it isn't even just "and there is nothing I won't do to you if you tried." Denji's life up until extremely recently has been such that while losing those things suck, he'd just shrug it off.
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u/VichelleMassage Jun 21 '23
The Japanese government made a pact with Makima last time, and that gave her the ability to offload harm incurred to the Japanese citizens. Now, she's probably a bit more vulnerable than before.
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u/JoesSmlrklngRevenge Jun 21 '23
Could be that Denji is the one to start the apocalypse, or something we aren’t seeing yet
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u/Ndokii Jun 21 '23
i think these fights feed some upcoming demon or something that's why they want to stop them.
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u/killinrin Jun 21 '23
This…sounds correct. You are very insightful, I could totally see this happening.
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u/Fit-Avocado-342 Jun 21 '23
yoshida fans when he threatens to kill a child but he’s hot so it’s ok
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u/ReconditusNeumen Jun 21 '23
I mean.. that child's the conquest devil who almost took over the world just a few months (?) before so...
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u/cruel-oath Jun 21 '23
Yeah apparently according to some of them this just proves that he likes Denji lmao
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u/TheMikman97 Jun 21 '23
I had very strong r/10yearsatleast vibes at some point except you know this time they were in character
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u/wyattsons Jun 21 '23
Maybe I just need to reread chainsaw man. I’ve been confused about this second part since it started and it just feels different.
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u/Lucidic13 Jun 21 '23
My complaint about the first part was that it was jumping insanely fast between plots all the way until the end, even though I was binging it all the way through. Now in the 2nd part where I have been waiting for each and every chapter to release, I feel confused where exactly the pace has gone and that it feels "different." I think re reading it all in its entirety will make you appreciate the fact that the entire manga IS insane and especially for part 2 it'll help to piece the plot together a little more
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u/Lucidic13 Jun 21 '23
This chapter was especially weird though because I was questioning if I missed a chapter from the last one, but I guess not Denji is just suddenly outside with a bunch of protestors and already gets to see Nayuta one chapter later??
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u/wyattsons Jun 21 '23
I totally forgot hayakowa died and I keep thinking this guy is him which added to my confusion.
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u/wyattsons Jun 21 '23
I think so too. Also a lot of the character art looks the same and since it was so long since part one For me I’ve had to re remember characters
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u/WatercoolerComedian Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
So that panel with Nayuta telling Denji to tell Yoshida to fuck off, I believe that's her using her control power over Denji still? I like this chapter I feel like in retrospect it'll be important for tying the current narrative together
Edit: I also feel like there is sort of a meta narrative going on and that maybe chapter 2 as a whole might also be a bit of a commentary on the Success of Chainsaw man and perhaps on the pressures involved in having a big series like that and people trying tell Kishimoto what direction it needs to go in, telling him he needs to do this and that etc, might be reading too much into it but I think it's interesting
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u/OddAvenger Jun 21 '23
No, I picked up on those meta elements as well. It very much felt like Fujimoto is warning the audience that Nayuta will die if they keep asking for what they want. There's several wants the readers have but two of them are: cool chainsawman shit and Denji being happy. It feels like the he's saying that these things can't coexist because it doesn't make narrative sense to him. Also, because of this chapter and its meta-ness, Asa's role has thrown me for another loop. I'm not sure she fits into this chapter or even if she should. I would feel a bit down however if this was Fujimoto taking a small break from the main plot to subtly address his fanbase. Which makes the words "Did he not understand me?" great dark humour at the end there.
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u/prometheusunending Jun 23 '23
I think that's just the natural evolution of Denji's character. In part one, Kishibe tells him that he has to go into hiding for the rest of his life or Makima will kill him. But Denji wants to keep being Chainsaw man, so he comes up with a way to kill Makima instead. Now Yoshida is telling him to stop being Chainsaw man or Nayuta will be killed, and Denji is again resisting just doing what he's told and looking for a third option.
Whether there's another way out or not, I don't know for sure. But it seems to me that the message from part one was, "it's okay to be a little selfish and want more from life," and I don't think Fujimoto is going to reverse that now.
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u/ademola234 Jun 21 '23
It didnt work tho? He would have used her exact words if it had. But he says hes leaving in a much more polite way after a pause
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u/Giantwalrus_82 Jun 21 '23
Probably not a good idea to threaten Denji's sister dude lol and vise versa
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jun 21 '23
Tbh the confusing part about this chapter is the one where the rioters broke in (from where?) answering Denji's call and Yoshida's "wait too soon wtf" response which is ???
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u/lem_on- Jun 21 '23
Wait too soon? Ya mean nayuta showing up? I think its because he really thought Denji would pick the choice of not becoming chainsaw man anymore that's why nayuta was there LOL he is so flabbergasted at denji's stupidity of picking both of the choices lmao
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jun 21 '23
No he's talking to one of the Public Security goon ("it's too soon to let them met" with the goon being confused thinking that Yoshida's done)
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u/_Mukrow_ Jun 21 '23
well, if Yoshida was done, they could let Nayuta go, because they were sure Denji would choose Nayuta over being CSM, which didn't happen.
Dude just misunderstood the situation, maybe they didn't have a wiretap
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jun 21 '23
The question is what prompted him to make such mistake? Because the breakout happens when Denji's shouting the rioters to kill Yoshida
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jun 21 '23
you want a normal life don't you Denji
Damn Yoshida has better reading comprehension than CSM fans 💔💔💔
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u/ZeusByrd Jun 21 '23
I liked this chapter a lot ngl. Denji and Nayuta interactions made me very happy. Great characterization on Yoshida’s part, adds to the mystery to see him actually emote and get stumped by Denji’s dumb ass. But also, sets up some cool narrative strands for Nayuta and Dennis. Also sort of confusing (in a good way) that Yoshida doesn’t want Denji to be chainsaw man. His motives are forever unknown.
But…it does feel like we backtracked a bit. From everything set up last chapter…also was this a very anticlimactic reveal that Yoshida is just working with public safety? And Denji and Nayuta just, escape? And get to be together? What was the point of last chapter?
Also, I love Denji too much, the Asa to Denji ration needs way more Asa. Because I really like Asa, but I love Denji, and if Asa doesn’t get (by ratio) more screentime it’s gonna stay that way.
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u/BurgerHashira Jun 21 '23
the only thing that caught my eyes in this ch was "the chainsawman church" which I think its somehow resembeles the followers of Pochita. except that it just didnt add anything to the story.
oh I forgot to mention that I dont think Yoshida's organization is public safety, maybe he is a double agent sort of thing
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u/Weak-Commission-1620 Jun 21 '23
I don’t like this octopus guy he’s kinda mean Dennis Dennis is a nice guy man like why you being so mean to him I hope chainsaw man eats his face
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u/Ghost_Star326 Jun 21 '23
Yoshida: "No Denji! You have to make a choice and do as I say! Come back here!"
Denji: "No fuck you you're not Makima. Come on Nayuta. Let's go back home."
Nayuta: "Yes big bro."
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u/InstructionHot9577 Jun 21 '23
That reunion between nayuta and denji was too wholesome . I loved it .
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u/Nightrunner823mcpro Jun 21 '23
I loved this chapter solely for what it sets up. I was hoping we'd get some more clarity on the last chapter but given we're getting another one next week, there's no reason to complain.
I will say Yoshida is fucking weird. We've never seen him have this much emotion so unless his entire family is being held at gunpoint, its strange for him to react so profoundly. Makes me wonder just what's going on behind the scenes
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u/kalai1995 Jun 21 '23
So there might be a hidden parallel this chapter.
Pochita was the Hero of Hell, Power, Angel and Beam were part of Pochita’s follower, whereas the Four Horsemen and the Hybrids were against Pochita.
And here we see similar situation in human world, Denji is the hero, there is a group of Denji followers and another group protesting against Denji.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jun 21 '23
that's a big, biiiig reach. keep the speculation going though! it's fun, and I don't want to discourage you.
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u/kalai1995 Jun 21 '23
Yeah, I suppose it’s a bit of a stretch, but Fujimoto never really explained the followers of Pochita, so I’m wondering about that.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jun 21 '23
I'm wondering about it too, really wanna learn more about him and how he gained the power to erase other devils. surely must've acquired it from someone else, because chainsaws haven't existed for nearly as long as literally any of the primal devils, or, well, a lot of other devils actually
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u/jaystorm34 Jun 21 '23
I have this weird feeling with the introduction of the chainsaw man church and protesters that they will have a role in the story line in the future
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u/kalai1995 Jun 21 '23
Considering Fire Punch, pretty likely, also the story is set in 90s, and cults were a focal point in 90s Japan.
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u/Brand-N3w-Weirdo Jun 21 '23
Seeing yoshida lose his cool is just so weeiird
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u/Weak-Commission-1620 Jun 21 '23
I think he’s losing his cool because Dennis is not doing what he’s told.
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Jun 21 '23 edited Jul 04 '23
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u/Blue_Nosed_Clown Jun 21 '23
Yeah, but I dont think it's much of a stretch for Yoshida to say "Let's get something to eat" and Denji just won't run off so Yoshida can show Denji the protests.
Too bad it's such a hard scene shift.
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u/D_PrO____ Jun 21 '23
Denji makes no sense in hindsight but I will follow his choices to the ends of the earth
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u/healtheheart Jun 21 '23
I feel I’m a bit stupid for this manga. Nonetheless, it was a nice chapter.
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u/The_Aziz23 Jun 21 '23
no bro you aren't stupid this is a manga about a teenage boy who want to have sex
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u/AgitatedDare2445 add any emoji you want here Jun 21 '23
I am lazy af so insert long ass essay about why denji actually wants to have sex here
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u/xREi69 Jun 21 '23
How tf are they gonna kill Nayuta?
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u/twobirds_onestoned8 Jun 21 '23
That's the point. Yoshida was just "threatening" Denji to co-erce him into submission. They were never going to kill or were capable of killing of Nayuta
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u/Dazzelator Jun 21 '23
She most likey doesn't have makimas damage transfer contract, making her fairly vulnerable.
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u/HungryGull Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Makima was pretty easy to harm for how powerful she was, but she also had enough raw physical strength to beat a weakened Pochita in hand-to-hand combat. Which is to say, could Nayuta beat people up without even using any powers?
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u/xREi69 Jun 21 '23
But isn't she like "yo lower life form stand down" type of shit?
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u/TonicFour Jun 21 '23
Makima still didn't have the ability to command kishibe
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u/ErockSnips Jun 21 '23
That was because she knew and respected him. Honestly Nayuta MIGHT be able to control him where Makima couldn’t, just because she doesn’t know him
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u/Nobody119900 Jun 21 '23
Nayuta does know Kishibe as he was the one who kidnapped her and left her in denji's care.
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u/Fire_anelc Jun 21 '23
But a new question appears, what did he do to make Makima respect him before controlling him and can he do the same to Nayuta?
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u/Demoburgus Jun 21 '23
Are people really getting confused by the manga skipping ahead by like an hour? Jesus Christ.
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u/SnooAdvice1632 Jun 21 '23
No they are confused by the sudden tone shift. Why kidnap nayuta and denji and tie them if you're just gonna have a chat with them?
Especially denji. Why tie him to a chair if you're gonna free him the next second? You're just going to make him angrier for no reason. How do you expect negotiations to go well after that? Especially when he knows that he's stronger, at least for now?
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u/twobirds_onestoned8 Jun 21 '23
They want minute by minute storytelling, it's like they don't even know the author
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u/wd290 Jun 21 '23
at the beginning of part 2 why would yoshida say “i’m part of an organization” all vague and cryptic if it was just public safety?? like that’s literally denji’s former employer not to mention he has more experience working with them than yoshida does so why so shady about it?
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u/Icy_Fun_2466 Jun 21 '23
he's avoiding bringing up to much of his past around denji, or hes just being coy. its not like he has to hide it, but its not like he has to say it outright for denji to get the idea either
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u/Trevo_De_40_Folhas Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Just look at the way yoshida acts in general, plus his age, and you will quickly notice that he just likes being edgy because he thinks it makes him look cool
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u/StonedCharmander Jun 21 '23
This chapter made me think that even though Denji would probably never do that, Public Safety killing Nayuta could become the end of the human race. Imagine Denji goes like "fack humanity, I'm killing yal" or "fack humanity, I'm not killing devils anymore".
They are very lucky that this type of attitude is nowhere near Denji's persona/character.
The other thought I had was "who from Public Safety could threaten Denji like that?". Maybe it's something related to the other devils?
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u/joao_sousa_moreno Jun 21 '23
i think even if it was his persona to say ''fuck it i'll kill everyone if i get pissed'' his situation would be similar to homelander, where he will not do it because he wants people to like him
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Jun 21 '23
I mean why would they think talking to Denji would work LOL
someone in the dept should get fired
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u/AccountantSolid7022 Jun 21 '23
I am very concerned about what Public Safety has that makes them so certain they can take down Denji, given that he killed Makima and has Nayuta on his side. Kishibe's good but Denji has a lot of practice fighting him, and I doubt he'd actively sabotage his own plan.
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u/yes-today-satan Jun 21 '23
The only thing that comes to my mind that has already been shown, and can realistically be in their possession is Angel's 1000-year spear. That thing was pretty effective against the Chainsaw Devil form, and... where did it go? It's not like those weapons disappear, Aki's katana was present for the majority of the manga.
Unless Angel's death changed something, idk.
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u/Darglechorfius Jun 21 '23
While I too don’t think Kshibe is going to get involved I do think that if he did he would still annihilate Denji in a 1v1. Like I think Denji has better stats than him in literally every aspect besides actual combat skill. If they fight Kishibe is just going to do what he has done before and leave Denji in a half-dead state so he won’t regenerate. Chainsaw devil Denji though would smoke Kishibe easy but honestly idk if he can still become that nowadays.
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u/Nobody119900 Jun 21 '23
idk if he can still become that nowadays
He could but it would require him breaking his contract with pochita again.
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u/akira_xoxo Jun 22 '23
what do you mean? could you remind me what his second contract was?
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u/Nobody119900 Jun 22 '23
Its the same contract where denji has to show pochita his dreams.
(Contracts don't seem to end just because the human dies as seen with makima using multiple corpse's contracts)
What happened in part 1 when power and aki died denji lost the will to live and dream so he broke his contract and pochita took over. In chapter 91 Power gives denji the motivation to live again and hence dream reactivating the contract
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u/BlatantArtifice Jun 21 '23
Chapter was such a jump I missed a bush and kinda thought the protest was being shown on a projection or window from the interrogation
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u/TonicFour Jun 21 '23
I don't get why everyone is confused by this chapter, it definitely didn't go the direction I expected, but they literally just moved outside.
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u/DoctorAco Jun 21 '23
I get the confusion, why tie up denji if they'll just leave a few min later? It kinda makes no sense.
I thought the plan is just to jail denji in any way possible until the prophecy(?) Or whatever is finished
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u/acebossrhino Jun 21 '23
Dude was 100% trying to make a contract with Denji. And Nayuta being released early 100% screwed that up.
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u/EmptyNeighborhood427 Jun 21 '23
Wait, what? I completely missed that.
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u/acebossrhino Jun 21 '23
Nothing. I should have made it clear that I was speculating. But everything about this guy feels odd, slimy, etc.
And the way he worded it - He was ultimately giving Denji an ultimatum. But it also felt like a contract between a Devil and a Human. Hence my comment.
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u/Sol_Smiley Jun 21 '23
I feel like fake csm has been screwing with the public safety. So they tasked Yoshida with stopping who they think is CSM.
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u/alphabravo1234tu Jun 21 '23
The second kishibe finds out about what Yoshida tried to pull he is putting him on a t-shirt
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u/victrystarz Jun 21 '23
Nayuta called yoshida's bluff.
There's a mild issue with killing her. If u do that denji is gonna go against public safety and would have nothing to lose again. And the last time that happened he went full pochita.
And as a master manipulator nayuta saw that attempt and shut it down
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u/27x27 Jun 21 '23
Point B on why you shouldn't kill Nayuta
You already have the current Control Devil in surveillance, why would you go to another trouble of finding another Control Devil after Nayuta.
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie Jun 21 '23
Also Nayuta does have the power to simply control all of Public Saftey not to kill her
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u/Incestuous_Alfred Jun 21 '23
Denji should have taken the deal. Even if the threat could be empty, accepting the condition and not testing Public Safety should have been in Denji's best interests - under Yoshida's wrong impression that Denji isn't an attwhore and doesn't care that much about being CSM.
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u/icylkws Jun 21 '23
I mean it kinda makes sense that Kishibe hides control from the official. Makima was associate with the government the whole time.
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u/Bruce----Wayne Jun 21 '23
How Yoshida tried to explain the situation to Denji and said he has two choices and can only choose one.
But Denji
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u/momiminreddit Jun 21 '23
Everybody demands something from Dennis, but no one wanna ask how Dennis feel about it :22174:
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u/JeanneDAlter . Jun 20 '23 edited Jun 20 '23
That felt like a rather strange continuation from what we last saw. I think this is the first chapter from part 2 that I can honestly say I did not like.
At least we got some fun Yoshida faces out of it I suppose. The first time we see him show any emotion and it had to be constipation.
Next chapter release: 27th
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