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u/IllustriousMud5923 Jul 18 '23

When's 136 coming??

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u/TudorrrrTudprrrr Jul 18 '23

4 and half hours away

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u/OD_Timi Jul 18 '23

Too long

Edit: It's already out

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u/IllustriousMud5923 Jul 18 '23

How did you know?

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u/fallaround Jul 18 '23

They release a a specific time of day, where I’m at it release at like 10 or 11 or something

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u/OhForChucksBukkake Jul 18 '23

Finally started reading CSM last week, now I'm up to date. What a ride. Time to join the slow crawl of weekly/bi-weekly like everyone. Was fun while it lasted, and I did get a pretty great chunk of story to binge through (1 whole "part" and some more!). I guess I still get a welcoming gift if next chapter is tomorrow. Then I'm officially in the "can't wait for next week(s)" gang.

Been checking out every chapter disc from this sub to see reactions for the last maybe 40 chapters cause I got curious what ppl were saying. Now I'm here. Hi.

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u/augustobmoura Jul 18 '23

Welcome to the weekly/biweekly hell

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u/abillionmilezhi Jul 18 '23

is the discord server still a thing? I'm trying to join but everything u choose a react response, it doesn't work and I can't see the channels.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

so if red chainsaw man is Denji, black chainsaw man is Pochita, then who could the chainsaw man that saved Denji and Asa from Hell in 128?

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u/juanjose83 Jul 18 '23

What do u mean? That's the impostor, the fake one.

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u/Javiklegrand Jul 25 '23

Three chainsawman Holly hell, iguess It's fitting his moniker

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u/jcrad Yoru Enjoyer 🦉 Jul 17 '23

The neon pink chainsaw man naturally

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u/striker2_2 Jul 17 '23

Can anybody tell what Asa made into a weapon in the penultimate frame?

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u/Nickadial Jul 18 '23

i thought it was a flashlight that got coolified

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u/HazetheFourth Jul 17 '23

Seems like a bike handle. Either the bike that Asa & Denji rode tgt or sth close that use gases & fuel meter.

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u/Willowred19 Jul 17 '23

Am also confused/curious

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u/Maxximillianaire Jul 16 '23

Fami is definitely up to something, no way weakening red chainsaw man to bring out black chainsaw man is a good idea

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u/NoDount Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23

I am starting to understand what is Fujimoto planning. In the Public Safety Arc, the main focus was on the gradual death of characters, thus creating a highly oppressive atmosphere.

This time, the main focus shifts to unraveling the constraints, which starts with the favors of others.

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u/Biwart Jul 16 '23

im literally asa

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u/olpoanch Jul 15 '23

What did Fami do to Yuko again?

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u/vehino Jul 15 '23

She turned her into a giant head after Asa accidentally diced her up.

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u/clementilt Jul 14 '23

how can yoru and asa both talk to fami at the same time when they have only 1 body?

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u/vehino Jul 15 '23

They take turns speaking.

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u/Dramatic-County-1284 Jul 14 '23

Don’t know why but Fami is slowly becoming my fav character I should hate her but I don’t

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u/cbirlay Jul 14 '23

Hellooo no fizzy drinks today

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u/HonestTangerine2 Jul 14 '23

Denji doesn’t actually want to not be chainsaw man and live peacefully. Fami be lyin. Her and Yoshi definitely have some shit going on

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u/cruel-oath Jul 16 '23

She didn’t necessarily lie, just didn’t tell the whole truth. Denji quit being CSM for Nayuta’s sake rn because Yoshita threatened them. But since Nayuta made him question if it’s truly what he wants, he’s having doubts

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u/BusyEntrepreneur8346 Jul 17 '23

And they would not know about nayuta,because nayuta erase their memories after Yoru kiss Denji

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u/KingofIlliteracy Jul 13 '23

Lmao I love this chapter in so many ways.

Asa and Yoru bickering like best friends makes you forget for a minute how she got there to begin with.

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u/ChargeSharp1718 Jul 13 '23

Asa on her doom slayer shit

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u/rokbound_ Jul 13 '23

all this chapters have made me glad Fujimoto took such a long break to rest as well as plan out what he wanted for this part ,no chapter feels like its just winging it the way a lot of other authors plotlines feel ,even when stuff doesnt really happen you still have a feeling of progress either on characters or story wise .

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u/rokbound_ Jul 13 '23

I felt like famine threw A school of red herrings this chapter hahaha

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u/Brushatti Jul 13 '23

Is the red/black cms conversation related to the 2 forms denji takes or denji (red) 2nd cms (black)? We’re shown a pic of denji transformed so I’m confused.

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u/ZeusByrd Jul 14 '23

Ya Denji’s CSM form (red) an Pochita as The Chainsaw Man (Black)

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u/Lord_Head_Azz Jul 13 '23

The two chainsaw man forms from Part 1

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u/PROUDCATOWNER186 Jul 13 '23

Denji in his normal transformation is red. But the big boy black chainsawman was pochita

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u/Zlayf5 Jul 13 '23

Didn't think Asa would just read a poem LOL. Chapter was great.

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u/_stoner Jul 13 '23

Oooo Funky motor spoiled us this week with a long chapter. Bless his heart.

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u/Javimations29 Jul 13 '23

I will only refer to Fujimoto as "Funky motor" from now on. Maybe his full name as "That sulky Funky motor"!?

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u/GratefulDread222 Jul 13 '23

don’t really get what famine’s deal is, but it seems like we’re about to start getting some banger chapters(not that we haven’t already been)

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u/ConstantinopleIMissU Jul 13 '23

Pretty fire chap, I just wonder what Fami's motivations are. Wouldn't a strong chainsaw man be beneficial for the upcoming apocalypse? I feel as if Asa and War are just doing her bidding somehow.

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u/rokbound_ Jul 13 '23

people are trusting famine way too much , all her actions point at her actually wanting apocalypse to happen , just in his own accord so she doesnt lose the things she likes . as we can see in the last page , War devil is getting followers which mind you is a horse of the apocalypse as well , so wouldn't increasing her strength draw said apocalypse closer ? if I dont remember wrongly theres a pretty lengthy part in nostradamus prophecy that talks about a fake profet or something like that ,Asa could be being manipulated into that role as well

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u/Raven123x Jul 13 '23

Fami has told us her motivation

She wants to prevent the world ending prophecy so she can continue to eat good food

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u/rokbound_ Jul 13 '23

and you believed her completely?

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u/Kenneth-2588 Jul 14 '23

Yeah. Why not?

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u/Both-Sky-3514 Jul 14 '23

To be fair, Makima's motivations were also pretty simple in hindsight

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u/WenchBarmer1 Jul 14 '23

Fujimoto is a master of writing insanely complex characters with insanely simple motivations. Famine could have been lying, but her actual motivation is definitely just as simple

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u/Broad-Entry-9383 Jul 13 '23

They called Denji the Red Chainsaw Man. I wonder if they’ll change this since he is orange in the anime

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u/chudslayer Jul 13 '23

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u/GratefulDread222 Jul 13 '23

did u take the as asa saying both things? or was yoru scars just forgotten

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u/chudslayer Jul 13 '23

I interpreted this as an error, yes

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u/beepboopboop23 Jul 14 '23

I noticed this too, and I definitely don’t think it was an error. I think the poem hit Yoru in the feels and it changed her, just for a second.

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u/chudslayer Jul 14 '23 edited Jul 15 '23

I was thinking perhaps it is meant to depict that Asa was also scolding herself for reciting the poem, as the face on the right could be seen as a mixture of Asa (no scar) and Yoru (eyes)

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u/GratefulDread222 Jul 13 '23

oh I guess u can tell from the eyes still

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u/Miamasa Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 17 '23
the day we went on our first motorcycle ride

i felt your body heat
    for the first time.
your head was a chainsaw

          yet,

i couldn’t deny
that your warmth was human,
         that of someone alive.

in retrospect
 everytime you save my life
  my body is as cold as can be
   as frozen as ice

   although i’m doomed to always end up alone
      you always came to my rescue
    that much
            i know.

-   sentimental drive
         asa mitaka

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u/LitIdiot90 Jul 13 '23

Is it me or did yoru scar disappear when asa was imagining romance stuff with chainsaw man?

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u/Raven123x Jul 13 '23

The eyes still changed

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u/GratefulDread222 Jul 13 '23

I was confused about the same thing

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u/qtUnicorn Jul 13 '23

NO FLASHBACKS

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u/Spiritfur Jul 13 '23

One Piece fans when there are no black pages in a new volume

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u/neon93 Jul 13 '23

I feel like Asa would choose the country mouse

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u/tobiourz Jul 13 '23

Fujimoto taking a break to focusing on writing the poem is so real

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u/tobiourz Jul 13 '23

Hands down Fami is my favorite character in the series now

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u/TheDivinestSol Jul 13 '23

Yo got any snacks?

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u/Javimations29 Jul 13 '23

She's focused on what's important

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u/Nightrunner823mcpro Jul 12 '23

I keep wanting to say literally every new chapter, "this is the best one yet" but I really feel like this is THE chapter. Kinda like the shift after the assassin arc in the beginning of part 1, this feels like that.

I'm fucking stoked, I can't wait for what fujimoto does now. His comedy this chapter was amazing, we got a lot of clarification on the last few chapters, and now we're finally hitting a new shift in the direction of the story and characters.

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u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch Jul 12 '23

Ain't no way Denji is wearing Chainsaw Man merch lmfaoooo

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u/cruel-oath Jul 13 '23

He’s worn it before but the words were in JP

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u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch Jul 13 '23

Oh, nice of the translators then

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u/Marv2x Jul 12 '23

red Chainsawman is denji and black chainsawman is pochita right

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u/OpportunityEconomy80 Jul 13 '23

Ngl, I always thought pochita full demon form was like a dark crimson red

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u/juasjuasie Jul 12 '23

yes, Fami is missleading but technically right. Yoru wants pochita, Asa wants Denji. So we still have 0 clue on fakesawman, unless fakesawman is a sort of avatar of Pochita doing its own thing.

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

Thing is you can't ahve one or the other, you gotta have em both.

also this is further showing that the relationship of yoru and asa is not a fiend type settup. yoru has no real control over Asa. She can't like, make her forget things, manipulate her perception or anything you could do if you were just puppeting a few neuron impulses. At the very beginning she claimed that she could just overwrite Asa if she refused to obey... and they almost got eaten, and she has not acted upon that threat. Cause it was a threat most empty.

So its the same situation and Fami knows this herself. You can't have yoru without asa unelss you kill them and have yoru reincarnate again. She using Yoru's tactic against them, misleading them. Yoru is unwilling to let Asa turn into a hybrid let alone let her know about the power.

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u/gottalosethemall Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

Remember how Makima flung Chainsaw Man Into space and he recovered by ripping out a part of his heart and flinging it back to earth to grow a new body?

Nobody ever said the one in orbit died.

And while he seemed to have thrown his entire heart, Denji later says he threw part of his heart back to earth.

If one part of a heart can grow an entire human, it should be even easier for a partial heart to repair itself.

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u/DaddyDeGrand Jul 14 '23

I had that idea as well, though I did not remember the part about it being a part of the heart.

The case gets enhanced even further by the final fight between Denji and Making. The Pochit-Chainsawman that got defeated by Makima was fully conscious and able to converse.

There is a strong case to be made for HandsomeChainsawman to be a spawn of the original.

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u/lastcrumb22 Jul 12 '23

i still don't understand wtf fami's role is. why she sent the eternity devil and falling devil after them. was it just to set a premise for war to gain some strength or to out denji as csm?

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u/cruel-oath Jul 12 '23

She said it was to starve War so that she can use her as a pawn. That’s her power, she can control the starved

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u/lastcrumb22 Jul 13 '23

ohh i didnt know she was controlling her just that she went along with fami bc she had no choice.

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u/Zbearbear Jul 12 '23

C A N

I

E A T

T H I S

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u/Javimations29 Jul 13 '23

I'm already imagining my teacher saying "It's MAY I"

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u/Zbearbear Jul 14 '23

I thought of "I don't know. CAN YOU?"

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u/Javimations29 Jul 14 '23

That too! Like damn, you want me to take a shit here or at a toilet.

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u/yellow_slash_red Jul 12 '23

The pacing for part 2 has been strange, but I think things are about to get real interesting now. I'm curious as to how this is all going to play out.

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u/yami5989 Jul 12 '23

Is Denji the Red or Black CSM?

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

Fami is lying by omission. They are one and the same, same body different peeps in the pilot seat. She is taking advantage of the fact that denji and pochita are two seperate beings despite their currently inexorable merged state.

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u/GG2Me Jul 13 '23

Both, he became black towards the end of part 1 I believe (when pochita came out)

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u/Typical-Back-290 Jul 12 '23

Red

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u/ClessGames Jul 12 '23

Literally explained in the chapter. Red.

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u/Martin7431 Jul 12 '23

also I find it fucking hilarious that asa isn’t just crushing on chainsawman, she’s now so obsessed that she can just formulate an entire poem in her head without writing anything down

and she still won’t admit she likes him

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u/Martin7431 Jul 12 '23

I really enjoy that Asa is the one taking down devils in the final panel. Clearly she’s gained some confidence, and it alludes to either Yoru not being willing to take part in all of this or being confident in Asa’s abilities :)

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u/appleandapples Jul 12 '23

Not the poetry, Asa is off the deep end.

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u/QueAsc0 Jul 12 '23

Great job by the translators for the poem. There’s no way the literal japanese translation would make sense while still trying to rhyme in English

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u/thesagenibba Jul 12 '23

can i eat this?

can i eat this?

can i eat this?

*eats it*

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u/thesagenibba Jul 12 '23

the plot thickens.

asa looks so badass in that panel on top of the cockroach devil.

i love the direction the story is going in. another potential area for conflict has opened up. i wonder if denji is going to directly confront asa and try to convince her he's chainsawman, again. asa now has a purpose and i doubt she's going to be easily shut down at this point.

"they're obviously trying to save chainsawman". double meaning maybe. the church's followers have genuine motives but fami probably doesn't.

plot heavy chapters have been such a pleasure. keep it going fuji

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

bee devil i think.

thank got it isn't the murder hornet devil. don't think even a primal evil could survive against that one.

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u/nullentotre Jul 12 '23

Asa joining the church and defeating the Bee Devil — was it a time jump and actually happened or did Asa imagine it?

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u/thesagenibba Jul 12 '23

real time jump because denji and nayuta are watching it happen

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u/Monk_Philosophy Jul 12 '23

Did Makima ever flat out lie? She'll give sheepish answers or hide information but I can't think of any time she completely lied--I truly believe that she thought she was for the greater good so that scene with Kishibe wasn't a lie.

I don't think I've seen Nayuta or Yoru tell a confirmed lie. I'm wondering if the horsemen might be prevented from lying. It was confirmed that the sisters are more or less face blind so it's not unheard of for them to have blanket traits/limitations.

Why do I bring this up? Fami just seems like a character that begs us to be suspicious of, but what if she's never told an explicit lie? Her line about wanting to repay Chainsaw Man because he saved her is very interesting. Perhaps she's thankful for Makima being out of the picture.

She never says "you can kill Chainsaw Black when you've finished helping me", she just informs Asa and Yoru that they're different entities in order to gain her favor.

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u/Cartier-the-explorer Jul 12 '23

“Fami might be suspicious” bruh she is responsible for the death and mutilation of thousands of people thx to her summosing the Fall devil

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u/Martin7431 Jul 12 '23

The correlation seems a bit asinine to me, I don’t really see why Makima not lying and being evil means that Fami not lying and being evil means anything.

That being said, they both at least seem shady (there’s no fucking way Fami is a good guy although now I fear I may eat my words), and Fami hasn’t lied yet. I find it hard to believe that Makima never lied, but I can’t think of a single example, so you may be right? Even pretending she recognised Denji as a person was just omission of information, it wasn’t a flat out lie.

It’s an interesting parallel and I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right about Fami never intending to let Yoru kill either version of Chainsaw Man, but I don’t really think the correlation was intentional from fuji

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u/Monk_Philosophy Jul 14 '23

The main reason I bring up the "never lied" thing is mainly to give weight to the idea that she might be being completely genuine when it comes to "We want to help Chainsaw Man" thing since most people, and I, find that line to be completely bullshit on the face of it.

It's probably nothing and Fami is indeed the Part 2 main antagonist, but hey it's fun to think about this stuff. If Fami is morally opposed to or contractually bound from lying I think that could create some interesting scenarios and affect the way you read her scenes.

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

It is weird that currently they are trying to weaken chainsaw man so much..... And then there is the mention that 'a weakling devil can grow stronger by eating a stronger devil'......

Kay so theory here for yas.

Said it before in other times. Pochita ate Death, and gained their power. He is using the power of death to prevent devils from returning t ohell or earth if he eats them, trapping them in limbo and effectively erasing the concepts they personify from the world..... which implies devils are far from mearly the 'fear' of a thing, but the thing itself made manifest.

Either way, what Fami is trying to do is to free death by weakening pochita so much that he is forced to expel death, unable to contain her.

Buuuuut it will turn out that Pochita devoured a death that was willing to be devoured cause pochita's personality had a quality that death needed. And by doing so they vastly altered the entire world in like, a cenutyr by devouring many devils and trapping them. so death isn't going to let itself get barfed up.

The horsemen don't realize this. or maybe more accurately, don't remember it properly. Powerful devils seem to retain some memories from a prior life, as the infinite devil remembered being killed by chainsawman in hell. So its possible that to leave hell they had to kill themselves or each other and now they are operating on incompeltel information. War doesn't want to release nuclear weapons, war wanted to release death. Makima lost the most memories of them all and her mindset got really warped. Fami however has retained more of her memories than any of them.

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u/n0sh0re Jul 15 '23

My one problem with this theory is that... So why do HUMANS still die?

They're not succumbing to the Star that drives people mad anymore, they're not meeting any of the other possible fates besides Death that happens at the end of a human life, or any of those other diseases or things that Makima credited CSM with eating the Devils of and thus suppressing in Part One.

So if Pochita ate Death, why are people still dying?

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u/legendsofold Jul 15 '23

Well simple, the 'sealing' power isn't pochita's power but death's power that he's using.

Or even, the sealing is a result of combining both pochita's chainsaw powers with death's power to create and effect neither can achieve on their own. And likely should pochita die, it would kill death, and would undo this effect, returning all devils they sealed back to the world.... for worse.

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u/advaitah Jul 13 '23

This theory needs to be a separate post, it actually might be true

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

honestl iyt something i've been suspecting for a while. Espeailly the 'altering the world' part.

from the sounds of it the world was completely different before pochita came.

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u/Easy_Resolution_2350 Jul 12 '23

bro was reciting poems for chainsaw man 💀 asa is lower than down bad

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u/yellow_slash_red Jul 12 '23

down poetically

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u/DrGrahamCrackers_ Jul 12 '23

“I’m not surprised you didn’t realise, since we sisters have no interest in faces, human or devil” just like Makima. I guess that’s one thing the 4 horsemen have in common.

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u/Both-Sky-3514 Jul 14 '23

I guess that means the familial love Nayuta has for Dennis is the genuine article, and that she probably recognizes Denji from the dog-like smell instead of his face perhaps

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u/badluckartist Jul 12 '23

Weird that the primary signifier of visual difference between Asa and Yoru is explicitly scars on the face.

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u/qtUnicorn Jul 13 '23

Asa’s eyes also don’t have spirals

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u/badluckartist Jul 13 '23

Small correction- the horsemen have concentric circles, not spirals

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u/Martin7431 Jul 12 '23

Given how no one has ever reacted to it, I think it’s fair to assume the scars are just for us readers to differentiate them. I have a feeling they can’t be seen in universe

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u/MielRoz Jul 12 '23

Logically, it is impossible to separate Denji and Pochita. Denji relies on Pochita as his heart to stay alive.

Even if it were possible, the method proposed by Famine to achieve this, namely to make people forget about CSM and thus grant Denji a normal human life, should in no way break the pact between Denji and Pochita. On the contrary, it fulfills the condition of the pact.

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u/juasjuasie Jul 13 '23

Depends, we saw Denji feeling very unsatisfied about the prospect (human things, we always want more and better). If this leads to the point of Nayuta being separated from him it can led Denji to a very sad depressive state which will void the contract

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u/DrGrahamCrackers_ Jul 12 '23

I like that fact fake csm pisses asa off even after she learns on why the church has one

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u/JustG4ming Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

Black Chainsaw Man - Might be the clone that got shot up in space in full devil form. (Fami even showed a picture of full devil CSM)

If this theory is true, then Chainsaw Man’s cloning ability is OP as hell but can be a problem since they have their own conciousness and if they are not good, then we have a problem.

Edit: Previously, I thought Red CSM was another clone (the one that fought Makima for my theory), I think she is referring to Denji, I thought he was kinda orange though.

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u/i-like-c0ck Jul 12 '23

Clone?

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u/thesagenibba Jul 12 '23

pochita regrew a body when he came back from space

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u/OpportunityEconomy80 Jul 13 '23

He didn’t really clone himself, he ripped out his heart and threw back out to earth, so the Heart regenerated a new body, while I assume the body in space is dead.

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u/legendsofold Jul 13 '23

actually that becomes another quetion. can you have duplicates of devils active at once with a proper settup?

we saw the justice devil turn two people into pseudo devils.

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u/Intalligants Jul 13 '23

I'd reckon there must be either a doppelgänger devil, clone devil or evil twin devil out there somewhere. I doubt any devil that has no concept of plurality could have straight up duplicates.

Gun devil is as far as we know the only devil whose body is in several pieces. While we don't know how GD's pieces work (do all pieces share one mind, is each piece a separate entity, how connected are they really, etc), there is still just one gun devil. Interestingly, Aki was fiendized(?) by consuming only a part of GD, so it should be possible for one devil to have multiple fiends + a devil body of it's own.

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u/legendsofold Jul 14 '23

True. Though the gun devil is the most powerful devil we have seen in the series so far. It killed millions of people in mere minutes. Even the falling devil only killed thousands in comparison, even if its influence seemed to be world wide, and it took a few hours and only affected the most vulnerable individuals in the world.

Even a mere portion of its being caused massive damage. the only reason Makima overpowered it is because of sacraficing a few important pawns to summon the Punishment devil at full force and use the Angel devil's power at the same time.

And, presumably, Pochita was the one who defeated the gun devil to begin with, and the effort nearly killed Pochita and reduced him to the little doggo form. Mofo who tore out his own heart and tossed it back into orbit almost died to it.

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u/JayKalinka Jul 12 '23

I dont want to be this guy, but i have the feeling that the author used recent political news to write the war devil. Right now USA is preparing to escalate wars because soon the $ is worthless when the brics bring out their new currency.

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u/Colirave Jul 12 '23

:22159:

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u/awsomebro5928 Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

what wars are they escalating? you've pointlessly brought up politics when the author didn't even use recent political news and you also seem to have swallowed Putin's propaganda. BRICS won't kill the dollar, it MIGHT weaken it, if the dollar does fall it'll be gradual and for many reasons.

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u/JayKalinka Jul 12 '23

War devils dialogue pointed out recent news. What do you mean "Putin propaganda" when the news were from the west...?

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u/awsomebro5928 Jul 12 '23

All powerful nations across history have went to war when their coffers became empty, not just America or the west. She didn't say anything specific or anything that references a specific group or nation and certainly didn't bring up recent events. Your biased interpretation made you think "Oh she's talking about the evil west!", when she was actually just talking about human nature.

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u/chainsawfan Jul 12 '23

If you look at US history which is about 250 years, there's only 15 years of peace. In recent decades, you could see how much gold and oil been stolen from Arab countries. Kindly also look at the trillions of debts accumulated every single day. US also has a military budget equivalent to the next 10 countries combined. It's easy to point fingers but the evidence is clear which country is the biggest war monger yet has the highest number of debt. China as the second biggest economy and considered a superpower has not fired a single bullet across their borders since 1979. Japan has not been in a war since WW2. Logically, the biggest culprit of war is none other than US and their allies.

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u/awsomebro5928 Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

Perhaps but again this isn't about that. Yoru was not talking about that. She was talking about humanity in general. I am also aware of the US's atrocities because I am Arab so you don't need to educate me on that. China commits genocide in it's own border, how peaceful. This entire discussion has been pointless because the original commenter brought their own politics to a chainsaw man subreddit when the author did not intend to make a statement on a certain nation in the first place.

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u/oredaoree Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

The English version doesn't reflect it, but that Falling devil's mere appearance created gravity fluctuations on earth is phrased as hearsay(use of らしい) and is not a statement when Yoru says it. Coming from Yoru who possibly knows what the Falling Devil could do, a definitive statement that she in fact did cause catastrophic natural disasters on a global scale with her appearance would back up the Church of CSM's propaganda, so the distinction that it's just hearsay is important here. It also shows that Yoru is quite gullible because she believes there's huge damage being done all over the world as a result of Falling that would eventually lead to wars being fought over money. And then Famine confirms how naive Yoru is by pointing out she was going after the wrong CSM the entire time by dumbing it down for her as "red" and "black" CSM.

In other words for now the prophecy is as fake as the fakesaw the church put up if Famine is the one who is trying to trick people into thinking it's coming true. There's definitely something she's planning and that she has sweet-talked Asa and Yoru into helping with.

Asa and Yoru breaking the fourth wall was amusing.

I wonder what Denji's face means. It's all kinds of conflicted. And what is Yoshida going to do about Asa who has played right into Famine's hands...

It's impossible to turn Denji back into a normal human without killing him, he needs that heart. Of course Asa doesn't know that. And Denji's situation also reflects Asa's situation with Yoru, she doesn't know that Yoru leaving her for whatever reason would mean death for her as well. I think the talk about turning Denji back into a normal human is meant to key readers in to how Yoru and now Famine are just taking Asa for a ride that she will regret going on.

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u/Both-Sky-3514 Jul 14 '23

Yeah, turning him into a normal human basically being a lie of omission: turning Denji back mortal and killing him

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u/thicctak Jul 12 '23

He's going to find a way to reveal himself to Asa, won't he?

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u/quietvictories Jul 12 '23

You certainly haven't seen Ladybag and Cat Noir adventures

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u/Treeconator18 Jul 12 '23

The Time Travel Devil sends Asa to a future where she and Denji trade identities and Denji turns into an Evil Chainsaw Man called White Chainsaw Man

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u/KingZonder Jul 12 '23

Denji vs Asa might happen

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u/NoDount Jul 12 '23

After retiring as a devil hunter, Denji has had a lot of time to do something foolish. I guess that Denji will infiltrate the Cult of Chainsawman or the Club of devil hunters in chapter 136.

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u/NoDount Jul 12 '23

It would be more convincing if there were an additional photograph of Red Chainsawman.

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u/BaconDragon69 Jul 12 '23

CAN DENJI JUST PLEASE GET A GF THIS TIME FR

I JUST WANT MY MAN TO GET A W

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u/M_ataraxia Power, winner of the nobel peace prize 👹 Jul 13 '23

I’ve never been one for ships but ADHD x autism GOT ME

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u/awsomebro5928 Jul 12 '23

fr dawg I just want some romantic denji doujins

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u/koolshade Jul 12 '23

"No flashbacks!"

Yoru is one of the funniest characters in CSM lmao. She's got her eyes on the prize.

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u/Javiklegrand Jul 12 '23

Asa and yoru are such great duo, damn i can't wait to see her animated in a decade

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u/quietvictories Jul 12 '23

frfr it will be peak

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u/Professional_Lynx510 Jul 12 '23

But sorry, I don't get it. When Denji turned Chainsawman after Power's death, was he the red one and exits another chainsaw man that is the black one? Or was he the black one, and when he turned back at Denji he turned into the red one? If this second is the case, so War is looking at Pochita, right?

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jul 12 '23

Black is Pochita, Red is Denji (as a hybrid) and it seems Fami can't mention that Denji is a hybrid so she only mentioned that by turning Red into ordinary human, Yoru can get the Black

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u/thicctak Jul 12 '23

But if Yoru kills Black Saw Man won't Denis die?

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u/Throwaway070801 Jul 12 '23

But they are still the same person right? They can't kill the black one and keep the red one alive

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jul 12 '23

Somehow the girls has to separate Pochita from Denji and not making Denji die in the process considering how he became a Hybrid in the first place

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u/advaitah Jul 13 '23

Or Fami is just lying and manipulating Asa. As far as we know there's no way to separate them without killing Denji.

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u/cruel-oath Jul 12 '23

Yes. All Fami meant by red and black is Denji and Pochita

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u/Javiklegrand Jul 12 '23

Yeah i figured out red chainsawman is denji

And unleashed form is pochita

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u/Ok-Tear-1454 Jul 12 '23

After power death denji creates a plan ths plan is to trick makima to believe pochita is denji but how? Using power blood to separate them and using it as a chainsaw

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u/Pussie_Slayer69 Jul 12 '23

Fami going Big Smoke on those foods

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u/ZeusByrd Jul 12 '23

Yo this shit was fire, just like so much happening. From Asa/Yoru focus. And just getting to enjoy their dynamic, to some interesting developments to Asa’s newish crush on CSM. Her ability to conjure poetry really fast. Interesting conflict of interest between Asa/Yoru. But mostly like SOOOO much movment and development regarding Famj and the church this is like crazy. I love seeing them all talk and interact and like oh my god Asa the Devil Hunter, I mean wild shit.

I do have two concerns/wants. One, I guess I just hope Fujimoto gives some attention to youth culture in part 2. This whole advent of HS becoming makeshift devil hunters is really interesting and I wonder how it’s affecting or creating youth culture at large. I wonder how Asa or Denji will connect to it. Two, I hope this doesn’t just swap Denji and Asa’s roles. Like I hope Denji doesn’t get all “grrr I hate Asa” even though that seems to be the set up.

But just in general we’ve gotten a lot of really fire chapters recently. Fujimoto is in the damn kitchen.

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u/Chrom-13 Jul 12 '23

Feel sorry for Fami she just want’s permission to eat at her sisters house and Asa and her sister took fighting stances.

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jul 12 '23

Now we got Fake Asa as well bruh

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u/kolbyjack95 Jul 12 '23

Reading comp devil strikes again

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u/CoffeeCannon Jul 12 '23

What makes you think that? She's a bit of a scaredy cat but if its smaller devils and it gives her a shot at getting rid of Yoru and helping her precious Chainsaw boy, you think she wouldn't be able to?

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u/Andrewmatlock89 Jul 12 '23

Nope. She can't kill shit! Definately it's Yoru who's killing the devils

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u/CoffeeCannon Jul 12 '23

I mean yeah, but its not a fake Asa

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jul 12 '23

Wait nvm that's the real Asa who slayed the Carpenter Bee Devil

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u/CoffeeCannon Jul 12 '23

Yep, that's our autistic girlboss

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u/TheDuncanSolaire Jul 12 '23

Fami asking the real questions.

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u/One_Professional_579 Jul 12 '23

que in kaguya sama- Love Dramatic

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u/Ebenezerosas16 I want their bath water Jul 12 '23

Oh love meeeee mister mo misterr

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u/niko2710 Jul 12 '23

Is Denji the black or the red chainsaw Man?

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u/Ebenezerosas16 I want their bath water Jul 12 '23

Red. Pochiter is the Black one

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u/niko2710 Jul 12 '23

Ahhh, I thought that one of them was Fakesaw man

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u/Faiqal_x1103 Jul 12 '23

your flair is wild, i love it

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u/Ebenezerosas16 I want their bath water Jul 12 '23

Lol thanks i guess

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u/RaiderxReaper Jul 12 '23

Now its time for the asa and denji revenge cage match

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u/KenmasStonerOlderBro Jul 12 '23

Lol denji wearing a chainsaw man t-shirt

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u/SuspiciousIbex Jul 12 '23

She's going to be giving crazy Reze vibes if she tells Denji she loves him now.