r/MurderedByWords • u/SIUMoose • Jun 02 '23
"All religions are extremists except mine" (5 Photos)
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Jun 02 '23
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u/SIUMoose Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
THANK YOU! I was looking for the particular logical flaw, but could not recall the name of it.
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u/jjjam Jun 02 '23
American presidents regularly cite the support of their christian god in military conflicts, perhaps none more so than W. when he began to invade two countries that were completely unaffiliated with 9/11. "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
No need to find non-mainstream examples or ones from centuries ago. This was the president, he said this in public to very little reaction about two conflicts that resulted in more than a million deaths.
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u/SIUMoose Jun 02 '23
The point was to deliberately choose examples outside of the mainstream, because once he acknowledges that extremists exist within his own faith, his choice to judge another faith on the basis of their extremists becomes indefensible.
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u/NeilDeCrash Jun 03 '23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
The LRA fought with the NRA army which led to mass atrocities such as the killing or abduction of several hundred villagers in Atiak in 1995 and the kidnapping of 139 schoolgirls in Aboke in 1996...
In February 2004, the LRA unit led by Okot Odhiambo attacked Barlonyo IDP camp, killing over 300 people and abducting many others...
In 2006, UNICEF estimated that the LRA had abducted at least 25,000 children since the conflict began...
According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), the LRA attacks and the government's counter-insurgency measures have resulted in the displacement of nearly 95 percent of the Acholi population in three districts of northern Uganda. By 2006, 1.7 million people lived in more than 200 internally displaced person (IDP) camps in northern Uganda.[36] These camps had some of the highest mortality rates in the world. The Ugandan Ministry of Health and partners estimated that through the first seven months of 2005, about 1,000 people were dying weekly, chiefly from malaria and AIDS. During the same time period of January–July 2005, the LRA abducted 1,286 Ugandans (46.4 percent of whom were children under the age of 15 years), and violence accounted for 9.4 percent of the 28,283 deaths, occurring mostly outside camps...
The U.S.-supported Operation Lightning Thunder against the LRA. There were brutal revenge attacks by scattered LRA remnants, with over 1,000 people killed and hundreds abducted in Congo and South Sudan. Hundreds of thousands were displaced while fleeing the massacres. ..
During the Christmas of 2008, the LRA massacred at least 143 people and abducted 180 at a concert celebration sponsored by the Catholic Church in Faradje in the Democratic Republic of Congo.[40] The LRA struck several other communities in the near-simultaneous attacks: 75 people were murdered in a church near Dungu, at least 80 were killed in Batande, 48 in Bangadi, and 213 in Gurba...
By August 2009, the LRA terror in the DRC resulted in displacing as many as 320,000 Congolese, exposing them to a threat of famine, according to UNICEF director Ann Veneman.[44] Also in August 2009, the LRA attacked a Catholic church in Ezo, South Sudan, on the Feast of the Assumption, with reports of victims being crucified, causing Ugandan Archbishop John Baptist Odama to call on the international community for help in finding a peaceful solution to the crisis...
In December 2009, the LRA forces under Dominic Ongwen killed at least 321 civilians and abducted 250 others during a four-day rampage in the village and region of Makombo in the DR Congo.[26][48] In February 2010, about 100 people were massacred by the LRA in Kpanga...
By May 2010, the LRA killed over 1,600 Congolese civilians and abducted more than 2,500.[51] Between September 2008 and July 2011, the group, despite being down to only a few hundred fighters, had killed more than 2,300 people, abducted more than 3,000, and displaced over 400,000 across the DR Congo, South Sudan and the Central African Republic...
Of course they are not true Christians so they don't count as Christians, but Islamic terrorists count as followers of Islam.
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u/casulius Jun 03 '23
I mean, I don't even think they'd use the Scotsman fallacy here but just standard racist tirades about Africans.
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u/Onii-Chan_Itaii Jun 03 '23
God is an oil company CEO
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u/jjjam Jun 06 '23
Not too far off, General Smedley Butler of the Marine Corps later wrote:
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
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u/Silentarian Jun 02 '23
Amazing that I don’t recall murders in the name of secular humanism. But I guess they’re just labeling any murders that aren’t in the name of a god as such. Makes total sense, right?
Also… secular humanism, which is a belief that humans can have morals without a god… is a religion? Riiiight.
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u/rockingmonkey Jun 03 '23
I don’t recall murders in the name of secular humanism.
I think they are referring to the state atheism practiced by the Soviets and other communist countries. Still a pretty dumb argument to make, because those people weren't killed in the name of atheism (much less secular humanism) but in the name of fascist totalarianism and extreme economical upheaval. The state wasn't killing people for being religious, it was killing people for being dissidents, wealthy or educated.
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u/Jungleman6 Jun 03 '23
Most of the more common leaders weren’t even aethists. Stalin was Catholic and made the Russian Orthodox Church the official state religion after he gave up on trying to stomp out their influence. I don’t remember if it was Mao or Pol Pot, but one of them was Taoist and wrote religious poetry.
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u/specto24 Jun 03 '23
Yes, what the other commentator said (atheistic communist countries, though really totalitarianism suppressing all other sources of authority, like religion) but also remember that "aBorTioN iS MurDer", and is only allowed to happen because Americans don't live in a Christian theocracy like they should /s
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u/Wuji_1219 Jun 02 '23
"And nothing modern that practises biblical Christianity is remotely threatening"... You guys carry guns even in churches. You shoot up schools and still defend the gun rights. Maybe the religion always has been the same. Even in those times there were people who were justifying those actions. There will always be people like that. Nothing new...
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u/SIUMoose Jun 02 '23
Nah, if you bring up those people he'd just claim they were a cult, too.
Even the ones that sit in the pew behind him.
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u/Cryp70n1cR06u3 Jun 02 '23
When has a self-proclaimed Christian shot up a school? Also, carrying firearms does not make you a threat but rather, its an equalizer for when the bad guys do show up and start shooting in said churches.
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u/DesertWandererr Jun 02 '23
Plenty of times lol
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u/Cryp70n1cR06u3 Jun 02 '23
Name one because I only see articles about Christian schools getting shot up.
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u/Wuji_1219 Jun 02 '23
You forgot to add, 'By christians'...
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u/Cryp70n1cR06u3 Jun 02 '23
So no answer, got it
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u/BigLadyRed Jun 03 '23
Nearly every American shooting by a white man was the work of an Xtian.
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u/Cryp70n1cR06u3 Jun 03 '23
That's a lie You are literally talking nonsense
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u/NotEnoughPotions Jun 03 '23
These motherfuckers release manifestos that make it clear they're christian. If you can't find a single mass shooter that was christian then I'm sorry to say you're fucking blind.
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u/Wuji_1219 Jun 02 '23
And yet the people with proper gun control have fewer freak killings than you...
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u/Axhen Jun 02 '23
There is only one true religion and it's the faith in the ONE TRUE GOD EMPEROR YOU HERETICS!!!
FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN! FOR THE EMPEROR! grabs boltgun
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u/kenkanobi Jun 02 '23
Nurgle sez hi
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u/Axhen Jun 03 '23
Ok lemme go grab some antibiotics reaaaal quick
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u/DarkKnightJin Jul 20 '23
Just accept Grandpa Nurgle's blessing, and it won't bother you anymore.
That's my understanding of it, anyway. Personally, I'm gonna steer WAY clear of anything Chaos related, lest an Inquisitor decides I've lost my breathing privileges.
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u/Axhen Jul 20 '23
Yeah same, i'd rather join the T'Au than any other faction tbh, but dont tell that to an inquisitor
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u/AllNaturalOintment Jun 02 '23
My favorite response to "America is a Christian nation and was founded on Christian values!" is bringing up the near genocide of the American Indian and slavery must have been Christian values, then.
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u/lightblueisbi Jun 02 '23
Slavery is actually an original christian value lmao
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u/Rogendo Jun 03 '23
Christianity started in the Roman empire, which had institutionalized slaves. Makes sense.
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u/Rogendo Jun 03 '23 edited Jun 03 '23
Oh right, secular humanists, those bloodthirsty bastards that want you to choose to be good without the threat of eternal punishment
/s
Also this idiot hasn’t read the bible because that book has lots sketchy shit. Someone should really do an editing pass.
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u/rockingmonkey Jun 03 '23
Also this idiot hasn’t read the bible because that book has lots sketchy shit. Someone should really do an editing pass.
He might have. Plenty of christian fanatics just choose to ignore the sketchy parts in the bible by saying stuff like "it was different times" or "the text isn't literal, you are supposed to interpret it".
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u/brianishere2 Jun 02 '23
In America, they just kill black men with folks organized in the name of ... Christianity.
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u/BigLadyRed Jun 03 '23
And Jews. Those assholes murder us, too. It's actually been a big Xtian pastime for a number of centuries now.
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u/So_spoke_the_wizard Jun 03 '23
Salem witch trials anyone? Because the only legitimate witchcraft is what's in the bible.
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u/cyberaholic Jun 03 '23
Blows my mind even trying to figure why or how "secular humanism" is the philosophy causing millions of deaths?
Say what?
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u/Lengthofawhile Jun 03 '23
I think the difference is that the US doesn't quite have those extremist views written into laws just yet.
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u/Interest-Desk Jun 03 '23
The Bible peaches peace but so does the Quran. All religions are susceptible to violent extremists and dictators regardless of what their holy books say.
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u/elkchasermt Jun 03 '23
Sometimes I think the litmus test for a religion’s validity should be measured by the ratio of its members’ hypocrisy.
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u/Far_Side_8324 Jun 03 '23
And of course let's not forget the Salem Witch Trials, Operation Rescue, and of course Pat Robertson claiming that feminism leads to Satanic baby eating, lesbianism, and other horrors while demanding someone do "The Lord's Work" on Hugo Chavez among others...
Whether it's Islam or Christianity, far more evil has been done in the name of the "One True God" than has ever been attributed to "The Devil".
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u/CptSolo Jun 03 '23
I'm always fascinated when I meet someone from one of the sects of Christianity that view Roman Catholics as Pagan...and then they don't seem to know what/how Roman Catholics worship...but they start with that initial shock of "OH Roman Catholic...thats not Christian, that's Pagan"...and that shock seems more severe than when I say I'm currently agnostic bordering on atheist...its almost like they were conditioned to fear or hate those who aren't like them....
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u/Sladashi Jun 02 '23
As someone who is a Christian, I would like to point out that I do not know this man
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u/Rogendo Jun 03 '23
Yes you do. A copy goes to your church.
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u/Sladashi Jun 03 '23
No I don't
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u/BigLadyRed Jun 03 '23
The point is that a good number of Xtians have supremacist leanings, whether they be religious or racial.
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u/Sladashi Jun 03 '23
Okay, but I'm not one of them and neither is my church, I'm aware of how a lot of Christians can be dicks and assholes but I wouldn't associate with someone like them. Please don't hate on me for my church being an exception, miracles do happen
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u/Dorgate Jun 03 '23
Didn’t downvote you (assumed you were parodying the denial of Jesus at first), but I’d like to point out: regardless if you know this person or not, they are a Christian that denies the Christianity of those of their faith that commit violence, thereby “proving” their claim that their faith is non-violent.
Yet, they don’t afford that same “out” for other religions. They’d claim my Muslim neighbor or her Jewish husband were members of violent, hate filled religions because of the actions of others of zero relation, which is clearly not true.
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u/petroljellydonut Jun 03 '23
Indigenous children were getting stolen from their land up to be indoctrinated into the Christian faith up until a few decades ago, children went missing and were murdered while in these “schools, their women were forcibly sterilized, and their cultural practices outlawed.
It’s STILL happening.
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u/eidhrmuzz Jun 02 '23
Pretty sure there was a good big ol’ bunch of non Catholics and Catholics working towards the genocide of indigenous cultures around the world.
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Jun 02 '23
Just read the damn book. Your god is a self-professed prideful, jealous, genocidal liar.
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u/CCtenor Jun 03 '23
The ran, face-first, to their own defeat, embraced the point with open arms, then shoved it all so far up their ass they lobotomized themselves with it.
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u/xsgtdeathx Jun 03 '23
Just because someone screams "I kill you in the name of _____" doesn't mean that 'blank' is to blame for the kill.
And it's not the guns fault either, in case you fine folks are here too.
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u/SyncRoSwim Jun 03 '23
I’ve learned that people who frequently use laughing emoji are almost always morons.
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u/chaoticphoenix1313 Jun 03 '23
The Quran does say to kill your enemies, but the bible says to love them... Real christians are suppose to live a life as like sheep. With a shepherd (God) leading them... Letting the Shepard be responsible be the one to protect them. But human nature is to fight back and rage against the machine, in a manner of speaking.
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u/Pleasant_Living1130 Jun 03 '23
ALL religions are a scam. They exist solely to accumulate money, power, and, to keep us in our places. The ONLY way for humankind to ever know true enlightenment, peace, or, freedom, is to eradicate ALL religion, and, spiritual thought.
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Jun 03 '23
Not to mention the Catholic-led efforts of colonial America to exterminate the indigenous people of North America...
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u/JustAnonReddit Jun 04 '23
Translation - “Secular Humanism is the enemy because the rights of man do not matter, unless they are living in MY (God’s) way” These people are absolutely idiotic. When facts and reality cease to exist, self awareness ceases to exist, and in this self lack of self awareness, they fail to ever actually give a shit about fellow mankind.
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u/AutumnGlow33 Jun 05 '23
Protestants regularly and gruesomely slaughtered “witches” and heretics with just as much if not more zeal than the Catholics had done. And they also killed Catholics as well, just as Catholics killed Protestants. Calvinist areas were particularly bloodthirsty, and Calvin himself inflicted hideous punishments on “sinners” in a Geneva under his control. So this person is either ignorant, lying, or both about both Christian history and contemporary reality.
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u/CopyAltruistic3307 Jun 08 '23
abortion clinic doctors, staff, gay teens, trans teens - nooooo you wouldn't hurt a fucking fly.
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u/DarkKnightJin Jul 20 '23
Pretty sure the commandment/rule of "Thou shalt not kill" appears in most religious works at some point.
And somehow I'm quite certain (and possibly wrong) in the assertion that the name of god has been invoked to justify countless cruelties and deaths throughout the history of mankind.
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u/wodao Jun 02 '23
Those were centuries ago. I think we can do better than that.
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u/SIUMoose Jun 02 '23
And I did. Read the full exchange. Jonestown was 1979 (80? Not certain). The Klan and Army Of God are both STILL going strong.
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u/BigLadyRed Jun 03 '23
How about the Holocaust? That recent enough?
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u/gamaliel64 Jun 03 '23
The Reich had Papal support, but this nimrod probably wouldn't have understood the validity of the example. Because Catholics aren't Christian apparently?
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u/rockingmonkey Jun 03 '23 edited Jun 03 '23
That is a rumor that has already been debunked a million times. The papacy of pope Pius XII was directly involved in many diplomatic programs to aid the jews flee german occupied territory and ordered the entire catholic clergy to provide shelter and assist victims of Nazi persecution.
He had also been in fervent opposition to Nazism for years before his papacy and the start of the war, having drafted encyclicals critical of the nazi regime to be read in all german catholic churches.
Throughout the war, the vatican maintained links to German Resistance groups and provided vital intelligence to the Allies.
The Vatican has done some real messed up shit that deserves being criticized for, supporting the Holocaust or Nazism isn't one of them.
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u/BackdoorSteve Jun 03 '23
Even from the very beginning, Christianity was full of violence and murder. Look up Hypatia, the Alexandrian Greek philosopher and mathematician who tried to keep the peace between the early church and the pagan population. They cut her to pieces with oyster shells.
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u/6_String_Slinger Jun 03 '23
Ugh. The Crusades were 1,000 years ago. Today, right now, “blasphemy” is punishable by death in several Muslim countries. One religion has evolved to be more humane and tolerant, the other hasn’t. See?
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u/SIUMoose Jun 03 '23
You didn't read further than the first picture, did you?
Read all five, then get back to me. Especially that fifth one.
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u/6_String_Slinger Jun 03 '23
Touché! No, I didn’t realize there were more slides. Thanks for correcting me!
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u/SIUMoose Jun 03 '23
Yeah, the first frame is more of a "rebuke." The fifth is the actual "murder by words."
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u/SIUMoose Jun 03 '23
Regarding "evolving to be more humane and tolerant," may I offer a little light reading?
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u/Raptor92129 Jul 31 '23
That plus The Crusades were a series of wars where both sides did terrible things in the name of religion.
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u/Downtown_Leek_1631 Jun 02 '23
How did neither side in this weird little argument being up the orthodox church?
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u/Rogendo Jun 03 '23
That’s the Russian one, right? What shit do they have on their hands?
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u/Downtown_Leek_1631 Jun 03 '23
The Orthodox church is what Christianity was before Catholicism. It started as a collection of communes along the Mediterranean. When people bang on about 'the west', 'western values', 'western civilization', usually they mean Catholic imperialism in contrast to Orthodox communism. Most of the people massacred in the Crusades were Orthodox Christians, despite the stated intent to liberate Jerusalem from Muslims.
Something tells me that by 'biblical Christianity', the person being ripped apart meant the modern evangelical movement, which has nothing to do with the Bible and can easily be proven wrong on most of its assertions about the Bible by anyone willing to sit down for five minutes with an interlinear Bible and a concordance, not the Orthodox church, which evangelicals tend to either ignore entire or treat with abject contempt.
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u/MxWiggles Jun 02 '23
NOBODY SUSPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
But yeah, I just got out of an argument with someone over some of my family members not wearing Hijabs (but some of them DO ffs) and them claiming we weren’t “real Muslims” because we’re “neo-liberal”.
This person is an excommunicated Mormon.
So, thanks for posting this! needed some spiritual reinforcement.