r/MurderedByWords • u/not_a_toad • Jun 08 '23
Linus Torvalds (creator of Linux) does not mince words.
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u/DerekStu Jun 09 '23
Linus can sometimes be a bit of a dick, but I really love everything he said here. Well done.
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Jun 09 '23
he's a bit like the dr house of software programming, if dr house was real and also not a walking blob of hypocrisy
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u/superhappymegagogo Jun 09 '23
And also not a homicidal drug addict? At least I hope!
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u/NotoriousHEB Jun 09 '23
I appreciate your talent for understatement, dude has a long history of being a Mount Rushmore caliber asshole
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u/WolfgangSho Jun 09 '23
Here's my take: he is extremely principled and sometimes principled people feel justified in their righteous (from their POV) anger.
That doesn't excuse him of his rude behaviour for sure but I don't think those actions come from a malicious place.
I am open to being wrong on this though.
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u/exscape Jun 09 '23
I'm pretty sure you're right. He handles this a lot better recently, though, which is why most angry Linus rants linked here are 10 years old.
Also, I don't think I've ever read a Linus rant where I didn't agree with the point he's making.
In other words -- as mentioned earlier in the thread -- "You're not wrong Linus, you're just an asshole".And these days he's not much of an asshole, either, just right.
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u/eknj2nyc Jun 09 '23
Respect for Linus for his clear and eloquent statement of facts. Unfortunately, these dunderheads do not understand facts nor desire to learn. But mad respect for Linus and other public figures like him who continue to fight ignorance, deceit, and abuse of public trust.
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u/CrystalSplice Jun 09 '23
Yeah...I'm guessing this poor sap had no idea that you do not come at Linus, hahaha.
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u/survivalmachine Jun 09 '23
He’s calmed down quite a bit on the mailing lists, but before that if you so much as made a carefully crafted critique of anything.. be prepared to have your roast with a side of potatoes and peas.
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u/AppalachianGaming Jun 09 '23
Iirc didn't he start seeking help for anger issues, which helped him calm down? This is so much healthier than the mailing lists were
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Jun 09 '23
He voluntarily underwent sensitivity training because he didn’t want his mouth to cause him to be mistaken for an alt-right person on the internet.
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u/Drunky_McStumble Jun 09 '23
Becoming a better person out of pure spite for your enemies is something I can get behind.
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u/badbits Jun 09 '23
Sort of explains why the hateful people live longer "that fucker over there is doing something I dont like! death can wait! That fucker is going to hear my rage!"
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u/radditour Jun 09 '23
Sort of explains why the hateful people live longer
Except during a pandemic.
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u/purrfunctory Jun 09 '23
Comment: 10/10, would recommend
Introducing coffee to my nasal passages: 0/10, would not recommend
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u/leo_agiad Jun 09 '23
You truly can, on occasion, luxuriate in the pronouncement of a single syllable:
....No.
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u/guto8797 Jun 09 '23
There is a piece of writing on /r/HFY where part of the plot is that magic gets introduced to the human world and starts coalescing into a god of mankind, like what the other fantasy races have in their own realms.
Turns out the god of mankind is Defiance, and whereas the other gods give people boons if they worship them, the way you get powers from Defiance is by telling it to fuck off
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u/KhonMan Jun 09 '23
Because I may have my reservations about excessive political correctness, but honestly, I absolutely do not want to be seen as being in the same camp as the low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour. And those people were complaining about too much political correctness too, and in the process just making my public stance look bad.
Standout quote
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u/DaanGFX Jun 09 '23
Fucking hell Linus is based
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Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
Always has been. Especially towards Nvidia.
Fuck Nvidia.
Aldo Fuck Reddit.
Sent from Apollo Ultra + Pro.
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u/grchelp2018 Jun 09 '23
Maybe I haven't seen some of his worst mails but I don't see how anyone could confuse them with being alt-right. Its the content that matters not the angry tone or bluntness.
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Jun 09 '23
He ranted a lot about hating PC verbiage, which is a big talking point for that crowd. He noticed the quality of the people agreeing with him and took a bit of a step back about it.
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u/Dworgi Jun 09 '23
I tend to agree with you. I'm militantly egalitarian, but I think that the word policing is fucking stupid. I don't think the words we use are even remotely the most important issue affecting marginalized groups, and I think the reason people latch onto words is because it's an easy problem and the others are very hard.
But for fuck's sake, let's not pretend trans problems begin or end at being occasionally misgendered when people are actively passing legislation intended to terrorise them.
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u/PISS_IN_MY_SHIT_HOLE Jun 09 '23
The propaganda gets people to think it's about pronouns and bathrooms while the purveyors literally remove trans people's access to Healthcare. This way, when you bring up the fact that humans are being persecuted, they think you're talking about pronouns or bathrooms. This is by design. Fuck the Right.
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u/dagmx Jun 09 '23
The problem is that a lot of them looked up to him because of his brutally honest tirades online.
They saw the angry bluntness and modelled themselves after it while missing the thoughtful critique behind it. They saw the negative elements of his rants as a show of strength against lesser people.
So there’s a lot of toxic brogrammer culture that’s modelled on the worst of Linus. That community of insecure boys trying to act intellectually superior is also the perfect target to being indoctrinated into the alt right.
Linus saw that and took a step back. Honestly it’s something I really empathize with.
In my younger years when I first became a programming lead, I’d leave very blunt critique on reviews. More than a few Junior devs picked up the worst of me and emulated that because they thought it would make them assert their intellectual dominance , but they always missed the actual constructive criticism that I’d use.
I had to take a similar step back to help these people learn a healthier dynamic and it’s something I’m mindful in my reviews and other interactions today.
That was just in smaller teams in tens of people from a relative nobody lead. Just imagine the multiplicative effect of someone as prominent and influential as Linus.
Full props to him for realizing the effect he was having, however unintentional it may be, and doing what he could to be a better role model.
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u/BumblingBeeeee Jun 09 '23
That takes a fair amount of self awareness, Respect to anyone who takes on the work to become a better person.
That being said, coming at Linus with that woke, communist bullshit, is really lining yourself to get verbally assaulted, with righteous violence. righteously
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u/Swesteel Jun 09 '23
His dad, like mine, was a communist for a while. Both Sweden and Finland have a lot of history with communism and socialism and seeing americans spout that word like it means anything is frankly insulting.
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u/Nazzzgul777 Jun 09 '23
I think generally Europe has a very different stance on communism, even more so what americans think it is. Like, in Germany communism is not really favoured but there is at least a small chance that somebody accused of beeing communist answers with "What gave it away, my membership card for the communist party?"
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u/raltoid Jun 09 '23
Unfortunately, these dunderheads do not understand facts nor desire to learn.
They'll have one of two takeaways from his post:
Double down as a way to "show" him
Think he's lying out of fear of public backlash and that he's secretly on their side.
They have conspiracy theory brain,where facts and reality get a lower priority than their fictional image of themselves as a genius who's "seen through the lies that fooled everyone".
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u/horror-pangolin-123 Jun 09 '23
I'd be pleasantly surprised if the guy managed to read what's been written :D Understanding is completely optional :D
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u/LilacYak Jun 09 '23
My Apple Watch has gay watch faces every year!!!
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u/HearTwoTalk Jun 09 '23
Then they'll have to turn to the operating system that fits them best: TempleOS
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u/evantom34 Jun 09 '23
"This fucker called me an adjective, what a woke leftist!" - trump supporters, probably
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u/Adezar Jun 09 '23
I grew up in that environment, GenX living on the Internet several years before anyone else knew about it. I rarely ran into people that weren't Atheist, liberal or basically believed in letting others just live their lives.
Sure, we never had the numbers to outnumber the Boomers above us... but even now when I run into a Conservative that is in the Tech industry and is my age I'm relatively shocked.
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u/IndyMan2012 Jun 09 '23
Same here. Been on the internet since the early 90s. And as for the conservatives in the tech industry, at least in my experience most of them are MBAs who got into tech, not Techies who got into business.
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u/KobeBeatJesus Jun 09 '23
I'm also a fan of directly and aggressively insulting their lack of intelligence. There is no way to politely have conversations with these people who don't believe in the right for some people to even exist.
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u/Unusual_Yogurt_1732 Jun 09 '23
Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?
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u/BikerJedi Jun 09 '23
I mean...he's not wrong.
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u/ruuster13 Jun 09 '23
Watch all the "free thinkers" suddenly find existential moral threats in Ubuntu (the only one they can install to investigate).
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u/faceman2k12 Jun 09 '23
Ubuntu promotes the furry agenda!
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u/LoafyLemon Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 18 '23
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u/SarcasticOptimist Jun 09 '23
For a programming related murder from him, here's this beautiful rant.
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Jun 09 '23
Amusingly, Linus makes several good (albeit very sharp) points. He's clearly angry about the blameshifting, and I can't even disagree with his take on it.
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u/naptiem Jun 09 '23
I feel so relieved reading a developer response with sincerity, clarity, decisiveness, and ownership. Holy shit!
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u/buak Jun 09 '23
He's the dude who made linux and git. Sometimes he's angry for no reason and sometimes for a good reason, but he's working on it
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u/MrMcKittrick Jun 09 '23
Goddamn - that’s the worst/best part of working with brilliant people. Absolutely horrible days that make you think you can never do the job again, and then you never forget it or anything that even smells like that mistake again and learn so much.
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u/TimeMistake4393 Jun 09 '23
One can be brilliant and doesn't have to be an asshole. Brilliant + asshole is a lethal combination, because teams depends on them (the guy is almost un-fireable) and at the same time half the team is paralized and terrified. With time, they are a plague. Linus could do this on the kernel the same way Jobs could do it at Apple. But if you think you are brilliant and therefore you can (or even should) be an asshole, you are probably very wrong.
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-deal-with-a-brilliant-asshole-at-work-1848732403
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u/WelpImaHelp Jun 09 '23
Is there a lifehacker article on how to deal the opposite problem as well? The colleague that almost everyone likes because they're so social with everybody, but every time you delegate work to them (or are asked to delegate work to them) they come back after a few hours with something so wrong that you need to spend more time helping them and fixing the situation than it would have taken you to do the work yourself to begin with.
I'm only half serious, but it can be difficult to stay patient and understanding after a while, especially when you're under pressure yourself and if something is documented and was explained to the person at some point.
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u/TimeMistake4393 Jun 09 '23
I remember reading about this recently at HackerNews. For what I recall, the key was to redirect they to a more appropiate job. E.g. you are a nurse, but you can't deal with blood, surgery, stress... then maybe you should be working in clinical studies, enrolling people and tracking them, or in an elderly residence. Help the nice colleague to identify their strengths and flaws, and gently point them to a more appropiate place.
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u/The_Mendeleyev Jun 09 '23
Currently working with “that guy” right now. I fix research equipment. And his was unfortunately broken. And it was broken in a new way I had never seen.
So I had to replace parts, whether he liked it or not.
And because of the nature of my work, 10 things can cause the same symptom. Some of them I can fix, some of them I can’t because they are customer consumable (your mechanic doesn’t owe you a tank of gas after a repair for your car situation)
I’ve triple checked my work. I’ve made no mistakes. But he won’t let me leave, my managers say he has to be happy. I have been in a hotel 3 extra days away from my family effectively being a second brain for him to bounce ideas off of. The things I can do he won’t let me as it costs time.
I’m losing my mind.
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u/IndyMan2012 Jun 09 '23
So you know those scenes in anime where one guy drops a huge attack and the other one ends up at the bottom of a crater with their clothes smoking? That's the exact mental image I have of this response. Mauro at the bottom of a crater, smoking.
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u/flashgnash Jun 09 '23
I'm now imagining this but instead of badass anime characters it's two Linux kernel nerds with some programming related t shirts on and glowing auras
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u/WolfgangSho Jun 09 '23
God I wish every project lead would have that level of accountability. Hot damn!
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u/noodhoog Jun 09 '23
There's a short TED interview where he talks very candidly about how he's not a "people person", and his attitude to working with people. He's very self aware, honest, and non-egocentric about it.
I also really liked his statement about how he's not a visionary, that he's fine with all those people looking up at the stars and saying "I want to go there", but he's looking at down the road at his feet and saying "I want to fill in that pothole"
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u/flashgnash Jun 09 '23
Holy shit I like this guy. Wouldn't want to be on the other end of that though
Reminds me a lot of Gordon Ramsay
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u/Maladal Jun 09 '23
How do you keep kernel changes from breaking user space to begin with?
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u/FeanorBlu Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
Like another said, an insane amount of testing. But also, at all times, being aware of what your code is doing. There shouldn't be guesswork or patchy bugfixes. There shouldn't be any "I don't know why it works, but it does!" in something like kernel development. Sounds like the wrong error code was used, which could indicate a bit of sloppiness.
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u/kaas_is_leven Jun 09 '23
By making changes only within the bounds of the documented specification. If you have a math module with a sum function that takes signed ints, it's perfectly fine to change the underlying implementation as long as it still takes signed ints and returns the correct sum. You can also add a version of the function that takes floats or doubles instead of ints. But now you have to document the expected precision, which puts certain constraints on changes you might want to make in the implementation.
Generally, making things more precise, higher performance, etc is not going to break user space but any regression can so it's important to only ever add new things or improve existing things. When in doubt you can always add whatever change you make as a separate version of an existing function and deprecate the old one. That way if a user program relies on it they will start getting a warning on the new update, allowing for developers to change their applications and adopt the new version of the function.
You can then leave the deprecated function for backwards compatibility, or remove it in a later update. If you remove it that definitely breaks those programs relying on it, but this way they will have had time to upgrade, and not doing that simply results in their application not being supported on later OS versions. You'll see this when older versions were problematic in some way, insecure, unreliable, etc. If they are harmless they're generally left alone in their deprecated state.
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u/not_a_toad Jun 09 '23
Apologies, I don't have the post that prompted this murder, and I know the rules say posts without at least two participants "may" be removed, but this was too good not to share. I'm certain it was same "anti-woke" drivel all of us in this sub are familiar with anyway.
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u/gargolito Jun 09 '23
Full thread from actual source, the d-bag he responded to doubled down. https://poa.st/notice/AWSUzyWVYwiP02DkHo
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u/tjblue Jun 09 '23
Wow, that is a toxic string of comments
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u/Mollybrinks Jun 09 '23
Holy shit, you're not kidding! What an absolute miasma of humanity....
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u/AmbushIntheDark Jun 09 '23
Me before clicking the link: It cant be that bad..
Me after: Maybe humanity isnt worth saving after all.
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u/reallyConfusedPanda Jun 09 '23
Toxicity attracts god awful levels of toxicity. People who think content moderation is stifling “free speech” don’t actually understand how deep these people can go down to
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u/BumblingBeeeee Jun 09 '23
First, I love you for using the perfect description, miasma. Second, that thread was oof
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u/1lluminist Jun 09 '23
It's really unfortunate that the zombies have propagated all through the internet...
I have no idea how we can make it out of this shithole we've let these bigots create.
All they do is pop into comment sections on whatever they can find and leave skidmarks of stupidity all over it.
Maybe we should go back to BBS's. Might take them a while to figure out how to use one of those lol
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u/Cpt_Soban Jun 09 '23
Reminds me of 4chan
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u/BlackBlueBlueBlack Jun 09 '23
sounds like standard 4chan
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u/Atello Jun 09 '23
Yeah this isn't really anything new. It's just /b/ dressed up as twitter, they even have the same jokes and phrases.
The difference is that most of us grew out of our edgelord cringe phases after high school, some of those guys on that site are grown-ass men acting like neanderthals.
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u/chiptunesoprano Jun 09 '23
I scrolled longer than I should have and it made me want to bleach my eyes
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u/I_Heart_Astronomy Jun 09 '23
become a joke like so many other organizations controlled by that evil ideology.
What the fuck is someone like this doing in the open source scene, anyway? Open source is as close to the code equivalent of communism as it gets. Collective ownership of the code and everyone contributes according to their abilities and uses the code according to their needs.
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u/DoritoBenito Jun 09 '23
Someone mentioned about finding out about what that poast site is, and after that string of comments — I don’t want to. Felt dirty just reading that.
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u/Thr0waway3691215 Jun 09 '23
Yeah, that "nigbot" was cause for an immediate "The fuck is this place?".
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u/Octavia_con_Amore Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
It's an instance (server) in the Fediverse, the same federated network that Mastodon, Akkoma, and others are on. If you look at Linus' account, it's from a completely different instance, and mine is in a third unrelated one.
Poast is actually so bad that a lot of instances block it, so the thread looks a lot different when viewed through an account on a decent instance (i.e. a hell of a lot less bigotry).
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u/Birneysdad Jun 09 '23
Never in my life have I ever switched so quickly from "this might be a good alternative to reddit" to "Nope".
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u/Octavia_con_Amore Jun 09 '23
Most self-respecting instances on the Fediverse have poast blocked in its entirety so you'll never see this drivel. From my account on cutie.city, the thread is missing a majority of the bigotry.
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u/ITwitchToo Jun 09 '23
Almost nobody who is on a bigger instance can actually see the post that Linus replied to. Linus could see it in the first place because social.kernel.org itself is a small instance that is not using mastodon in the back-end, so their block lists are not as up-to-date or well maintained as most mastodon instances are. They are catching up with blocking the morons now.
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Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
[ moved to lemmy. you should come too, it's cozier here ]
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u/FabianN Jun 09 '23
Dude doesn't realize that Linus's parents were part of a far left political party.
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u/moe_70 Jun 09 '23
Why did I click on this and find the cest pool of neckbeards.
The one gif with the comment of a nazis head stomping a guy to death is like, holy fuck.....
They don't come out from their basement right??
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u/DANKB019001 Jun 09 '23
.... Incredibly put. Wow. That's something I'm gonna take notes from!
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u/BortleNeck Jun 09 '23
Reminds me a lot of this quote...
If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal. - JFK
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u/Spitzspot Jun 09 '23
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u/rudebii Jun 09 '23
I don’t remember the details, but Linus was on a panel with a few other European developers and the host asked a pointed question about “SoCiAlIsM” and Linus responds with “is socialism bad?”
There was more to it. But it’s old, so old I saw it on /.
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u/TheHeroicLionheart Jun 09 '23
Who knew? The guy who made an open source platform intented to be collectively shared and improved upon for all users freely has a favourable opinion of collectivism and workers having the means of production.
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u/rudebii Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
Linus’ parents were radicals, and he grew up and was educated in Finland, a country with a robust social safety net. He was able to pursue his interests through continued higher education.
Linus has been a naturalized American citizen for some time now, but he’s lived and worked mostly on the west coast since the late 90s, so that makes sense.
As the parents of immigrants (like Torvalds’ kids) I know the PITA not being naturalized is for even permanent residents, seeing my parents deal with it until they naturalized. Which is a long, expensive process btw, at least for them.
E: the capitalists like Jobs and Gates made billions, but the social contribution of key F/LOSS developers like Torvalds is more significant, IMO.
Even commercial products rely on open source projects now. Like a lot. The web and mobile wouldn’t exist without OSS.
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u/Hizb-Al-Ishtiraki Jun 09 '23
His father was a hard left party member for more than 20 years but eventually ended up in a center-right party. Still though, Finnish centre-right would be called insane leftist in the US
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u/WolfgangSho Jun 09 '23
As a non-American looking in, It is mad to me just how far right the American political centre is. Especially for a country that was founded on principles of freedom and equality.
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u/ssnistfajen Jun 09 '23
Free and open source software (FOSS) is practically an implementation of communist ideology. It doesn't get any more communist than collectively using and contributing to the same community without the involvement of money. Of course there are add-on services of which profits can be made, such as IT support and bug-fixing, but they are done within compliance of relevant open source licenses.
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u/pruche Jun 09 '23
He censored the word "fucking" at the end, which technically is mincing
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u/not_a_toad Jun 09 '23
That's the best kind of correct! And you're right. Maybe a poor choice of words. I just meant that he's always very direct and matter-of-fact.
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u/pruche Jun 09 '23
Yeah I gotchu I was just being an internet pedant
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u/not_a_toad Jun 09 '23
Lol, no worries! I'm one of those weirdos who generally appreciates pedantry. :)
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u/pruche Jun 09 '23
Pedantry is so fucking great, except when people actually think they're making themselves look smart. Like shut up dispshit
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u/btribble Jun 09 '23
I think this is the first positive, pedantic non-argument I've seen on Reddit.
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u/2278AD Jun 09 '23
I think he did that so elementary school teachers can put this quote on a poster with a kitten dangling from a rope by one claw
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u/Substantial_Egg_4872 Jun 09 '23
Remember, this is post-sensitivity training. This is him being extremely nice.
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u/pruche Jun 09 '23
Yeah, I remember the vid of him going "FUCK YOU NVIDIA"
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u/ForANewUnderstanding Jun 09 '23
Trans folk 🤝 Linux
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u/MtnDewTangClan Jun 09 '23
Me being a firm believer in LGBTQ+ rights because I couldn't afford windows PCs as a kid
LGBTQ+ 🫲Linux 🫱ME.... therefore
me🫱🫲LGBTQ+
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u/ChickenManSam Jun 09 '23
There's a reason so many of us trans women are in software development ;-)
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u/DeSteph-DeCurry Jun 09 '23
so the colored striped socks stereotype are true
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u/laukaus Jun 09 '23
Those are “programming socks” thank you and should be used regardless of gender identity when coding.
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u/ActingGrandNagus Jun 09 '23
Give it a go!
My advice would be to try out a few desktop environments - which is basically just different UIs that Linux distributions (such as Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc) use.
The top ones, really, are:
Gnome (very different to how Windows works, so takes some getting used to, but it's simple, extremely consistent in UX, extremely bug-free)
KDE Plasma (easily the most 'powerful' DE. Out of the box it works like Windows, but everything is customisable to an extreme degree)
Cinnamon (out of the box it's like Windows, has a lot of options but not quite as many as KDE, doesn't get updated as often but is very stable and user-friendly)
My other advice would be to either try it in a VM, on a spare laptop, or on a separate SSD. You can install it on the same SSD as Windows, but Windows update has a tendency to fuck up Linux's ability to boot from the same SSD, which I'm sure is an honest mistake on Microsoft's part 🙄
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u/Ksielvin Jun 09 '23
Try if you're curious! Switch only based on thinking it fits your needs and wants.
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u/xpdx Jun 09 '23
I'm "woke" because I don't give a shit what other people do. I don't care if you dress like the king of England and call yourself Donald duck and marry your television. It's none of my business, and frankly, I just don't care. I'm busy with other things.
According to them, that makes me "woke".
I do believe that every human has a right to do what they want if it doesn't negatively effect anyone else directly. There are gray areas sure, but who people sleep with, or what gender they say they are, doesn't effect me AT ALL. And like I said, I don't care.
It's a mystery to me why anyone would.
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u/nonotan Jun 09 '23
Leaving aside whether that level of social mindfulness constitutes being woke, remember that woke is a word of praise. Just because dimwitted fascists have started saying it with the same tone of voice they usually reserve for the n-word or "the jews" does not make it an insult. If anything, you should probably be proud to be called anything those absolute imbeciles feel so threatened by. If someone calls me woke, my response is just going to be "I'm not sure I'm quite there yet, but thank you, I appreciate the compliment".
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u/PoopyPants698 Jun 09 '23
Wow in the original source you start seeing hard n words pretty fast. Republicans are scum holy shit
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u/Oxajm Jun 09 '23
I don't know shit about programming. But isn't Linux free for everyone to use and update? Sounds like a nice socialist idea. And the guy getting murdered, I'm sure isn't aware of the irony.
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u/MrAnimaM Jun 09 '23
Oh absolutely. It's a free community project that you may use for free or contribute to without expectation of payment (although many contributors are sponsored/employed by large companies to fix bugs that matter to them). The license explicitly prevents you from redistributing modified versions of Linux without willing to redistribute the source code of your version too. That's virtual communism. (in a good way)
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u/eye-nein Jun 09 '23
This is mild for Linus. He's notorious in the *nix world for calling shit like it is. He called out another kernel dev over a pulse audio issue with the following:
"Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP! It's a bug alright -- in the kernel. How long have you been a maintainer? And you still haven't learnt the first rule of kernel maintenance? Shut up, Mauro. And I don't ever want to hear that kind of obvious garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again. Seriously. Fix your fucking 'compliance tool,' because it is obviously broken. And fix your approach to kernel programming."
Seriously, there's an entire subreddit dedicated to his rants.... r/linusrants
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u/WolfgangSho Jun 09 '23
I have mixed feelings about his rants.
I almost always agree with the content and core position he takes.
But you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Entertaining as fuck tho!
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u/Tech_Itch Jun 09 '23
That quote lacks some of the context, which is that the guy was going to let through a kernel patch that would've broken Pulseaudio, which is the de facto standard sound architecture for Linux, and was blaming Pulseaudio developers for their code being buggy. He deserved to be yelled at.
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u/vlsdo Jun 09 '23
He stopped doing code reviews for the Linux kernel, so he has to take his aggression out somehow.
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u/-Redstoneboi- Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
Linus Torvalds is what we would call a Professional Asshole.
He can and WILL completely shut you down and deconstruct point for point exactly why your suggestion has a crystal clear correlation between how smoothly you think it will deploy and how smoothly a sheet of sandpaper would glide over the surface of your brain.
He will not sugarcoat a single word and will gladly normalize sending people to unbirthing stations if that were anywhere near legal.
And he maintains the most popular kernel used in basically every server in the world.
Man does not fuck around, because he's already found out.
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u/mantisek_pr Jun 09 '23
I would pay money for Linus to shit on my code.
Anything he endorses is usually outstanding to. He gave glowing praise for Wireguard
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u/-Redstoneboi- Jun 09 '23
I forgot to mention he also created git, the version control system used by basically everyone in the universe, and is the basis for https://github.com.
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u/combustioncat Jun 09 '23
Ain’t no fucking Nazi is going to try and ‘shame’ me by just repeating a buzzword over and over again and saying that encapsulates what I know is right and good. Fuck all of these morons, rather be called ‘woke’ than fascist any day of the week.
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u/guilhermej14 Jun 09 '23
Comrade Torvalds of the Woke Communist anti-white male operating system
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u/valimo Jun 09 '23
That's the fun thing, in his native Finland he sounds like a very typical, educated guy of his generation. Nothing woke, nothing leftist, nothing radical about anything he just said. Common fucking sense things, yes you need reproductive rights, yes you need gun control, etc. Going against any of these statements is considered fundamentalism in the Nordics.
America sure is weird.
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You know you're woke if;
1/. You read books and don't burn them
2/. You embrace science
3/. You are willing to change your mind when new information becomes available
4/. You understand that most issues are not black and white
5/. You believe in equality for all people
6/. You like to share
7/. You embrace cooperation
8/. You respect others' rights
9/. You believe culture and arts have value
10/. You care for the planet and all its life
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u/AppalachianGaming Jun 09 '23
I'm so glad to see Torvalds channeling his frustrations better these days. As a trans person who loves Linux, this is actually super refreshing and my respect for him has skyrocketed
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u/Substantial_Egg_4872 Jun 09 '23
You can tell he's gone to sensitivity training because he deleted the three paragraphs containing nothing but variations of "fucking idiot" before he hit send.