r/MurderedByWords • u/PassiveRoadRage • Jun 09 '23
Reddit CEO called out by Apollo creator.
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Jun 10 '23
He did not, in fact, give any examples. Because he’s a lying cunt and he knows Christian has the recordings that’ll prove him wrong.
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u/Cuntwhore2004 Jun 10 '23
Unfortunately there's a bunch of morons that don't look into things and are brushing this situation off.
All the real ones are going dark when Apollo does
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Jun 10 '23
Yup. I’m out of here when Apollo goes down.
“But the data we have to provide!”
We generate that data and the motherfuckers are trying to sell it back to us at stupid prices. Fuck Reddit.
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u/Darsich Jun 10 '23
Where will you go to when this all implodes? Cause twitter sucks but still want to look at memes and such.
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Jun 10 '23
No idea quite honestly. Might just spend less time online if nothing presents itself.
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u/Cuntwhore2004 Jun 10 '23
Yeah, same. It's a healthy move
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u/ubdiwala Jun 10 '23
Yeah, they don't realise that we're on reddit because we hate other social media.
If reddit goes down. I'm leaving all social media for good.
I've been planning on doing this for a long time and reddit is actually giving me another reason why I should just quit all social media
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u/Pulsing42 Jun 10 '23
I stick with my games, FB is a mess, Twitter a dumpster fire, Reddit seems to be crumbling.. stick with games, and YouTube and Spotify probably.
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u/SoundofGlaciers Jun 10 '23
Tbf I think reddit would be least afraid of people saying stuff like that because data would back up that most people don't just drop their 'addiction' like that, plenty of social media have died and I think data always shows the large majority going to the alternative anyway.
I think its likely that either Reddit kills itself and some alternative will become the new reddit, or most people will suck up and start using the shitty official app/website anyway..
I, sadly, just doubt a significant percentage of peiple who are using reddit (multiple) hours a day, would have the discipline to cold turkey quit their memes/videos/doomposts/whatever. Just generalizing, not talking about you specifically :)
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u/Cuntwhore2004 Jun 10 '23
Fair enough. I just hope enough people are like me, and have grown too sick, and too tired of seeing the little guy get fucked.
I'm out on the 30th for the principle of it.
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u/DunoCO Jun 10 '23
Give it 5 years and everything online will be fake anyway. Seems like touching grass is increasingly the only way to go.
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u/grimrp3r Jun 10 '23
Gonna delete my mobile app by 12th, going to exclusively use desktop app regardless they cancel the API or not. I personally think this move is good for my own health. Not using mobile app would help my sleep hygiene tremendously
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u/cgn-38 Jun 10 '23
A lot of people have not ever really interacted with the odd sort of psychopath that excels at corporate shit.
Seems like a human with ethics on the surface. Really more like a terminator in a really expensive suit.
Zero remorse about anything they have ever or will ever do.
Will do anything at all for money and then lie about it while smiling. Will never ever come clean and admit to anything nefarious they have done. Ever.
They are wild to experience. Grew up with one as a stepdad.
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u/ScandalOZ Jun 10 '23
Or anybody in a field of work where you compete for jobs. I work in entertainment on film crews, there are plenty of the same type of guys maneuvering on each other to keep their place on a crew. Disappointing and sad to watch, blood thirsty in board shorts and tee shirts.
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u/Denz292 Jun 10 '23
The fact he has awards yet thousands of downvotes is amusing to me
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u/PETEthePyrotechnic Jun 10 '23
He and other admins get free coins and the award themselves to keep the comment showing instead of being collapsed because of downvoted. Also about as good an image his responses are gonna make
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u/GallantGentleman Jun 10 '23
Tbf while it's totally plausible that he gave them to himself there are people who are ironically gilding the most stupid comments out there as a way to mock the person.
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u/whitexknight Jun 10 '23
It also prevents the down votes from moving it too low for people to see it. That's why these historically shit comments are awarded a bunch, to keep them at the top so people can see it.
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Jun 10 '23
Like the pride and accomplishment comment from EA. Tonnes of people gilded it to keep it visible, even though it is the most downvoted comment on reddit
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u/Phii_The_Fluffy_Moth Jun 10 '23
how many downvotes is it at?
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u/Darthpool Jun 10 '23
More than 600k
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u/AkumaLord54 Jun 10 '23
Is it ok if you can give me a link to that? I haven’t heard of it before and am kinda curious about it.
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u/NotExactlyNapalm Jun 10 '23
Did he just give himself a bunch of awards???
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u/SoulXVII Jun 10 '23
Hahaha why else would they be there?
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u/_30d_ Jun 10 '23
To keep the comment visible despite all the downvotes maybe.
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Jun 10 '23
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u/bungojot Jun 10 '23
Didn't they do this with the EA comment to keep it from getting deleted?
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u/Klony99 Jun 10 '23
The fact that you have to do that shows how poorly Reddit is managing their comment section.
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u/Doktor_Vem Jun 10 '23
It's like that case of the Star Wars Battlefront game where people paid boatloads of cash for the special edition or whatever but still had to pay boatloads extra to play as Darth Vader or something like that. Someone made a post calling out EA on their greedy bullshit and the official account replied and said it was like that to give the players who unlocked him a sense of, and I quote, "pride and accomplishment". They got hundreds of thousands of downvotes but also a bunch of awards to keep the comment on top so more people could see it and downvote it more
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u/toetappy Jun 10 '23
Wasn't it the most downvoted comment at the time?
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u/cryptic-fox Jun 10 '23
It still is and it was in the 2020 Guinness World Record book as well lol.
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u/kryonik Jun 10 '23
They had a top comment that linked to all of spez's answers but they're such idiots they didn't put context in the urls so you had no idea what the questions were.
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u/garandx Jun 10 '23
He's the same person who edited users comments about him.
He's a very insecure POS
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u/DrazGulX Jun 10 '23
Why the fuck is this even a feature for him?
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u/Keyndoriel Jun 10 '23
Because he's the Special Boy and the Special Boy gets the Totally Important Rewards /s
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u/AggravatedCalmness Jun 10 '23
It doesn't have to be a feature, he has access to the backend of Reddit, he can very easily just find a comment in their database and change what it says.
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u/PETEthePyrotechnic Jun 10 '23
Dude decorated himself more than a third world dictator who took over via military coup
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u/No-Magazine-9236 Jun 10 '23
he's putting brezhnev to shame
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u/Accendil Jun 10 '23
Criticise Reddit? Straight to Jail. Post too many comments on Reddit? Jail. Post too few comments? Also jail.
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u/rickartz Jun 10 '23
Too much usage of our API? Jail! You wants us to give you more time to comply with our API shenanigans? Also jail!
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u/trophicmist0 Jun 10 '23
My favourite part is, if you click on the awards you can see that a large portion of them are ‘snake’ awards 😂
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u/CaptSnafu101 Jun 10 '23
This just in reddit decides to remove the downvote button
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u/GreatRyujin Jun 10 '23
Don't even joke about such things...
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u/LunarProphet Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I was kinda bummed when we lost the counter that shows downvotes to upvotes. Now we just see the difference.
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u/Ok_Dirt_1952 Jun 10 '23
Yes that’s how it should be. Also when it zeros out instead of going to -4k
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u/RedSeaDingDong Jun 10 '23
That‘s such a youtube thing to do. Or a april fools joke/not really joke because we liked it also now you must pay for downvotes. Cheers :)
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u/scrulase Jun 10 '23
Took me a second to figure out this was not between people talking about ancient Greek faith and Christianity
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u/Not-original Jun 10 '23
Great, thanks to you Christian, Apollo is going away at the end of the Month. There goes the Sun.
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u/widowsmagician Jun 10 '23
I thought the same thing for a while. I was trying to figure out where the religions played a role in this argument
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u/jaciviridae Jun 10 '23
It's pretty fitting that the Reddit CEO is just your average mod.
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u/nausteus Jun 10 '23
Woah, he's a pedo?
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u/CrownedPeach Jun 10 '23
Lol and some mods even crack down on sexism and rascim, but now I know why they are fewer. This whole site is run by an asshole.
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u/123TEKKNO Jun 10 '23
This shit would never have happened if Aaron Shwartz was still alive and held the reins.
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u/gatling_arbalest Jun 10 '23
What is this Spaz doin'? Trying to beat EA's record?
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u/SiFiNSFW Jun 10 '23
They're going public. All that matters now is they become profitable ASAP and can show investors they have the capacity for large scale short term profits that will reward those investors, whether or not people agree with them doesn't matter, whether they use / buy their products does.
They're banking that just like with EA that they'll be rewarded handsomely for doing so by consumers and investors alike. As hated as EA are they're one of the largest companies in the world and gross literal billions, i'm sure Spez would kill to be in their position RN.
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u/Wolfsblvt Jun 10 '23
Doesn't make sense though. If they were really looking for high profits, why not work with the 3PA devs?
Now all of the big apps announced they will close. And admins said all of the very small ones and bots etc will stay on the free tier.
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u/SiFiNSFW Jun 10 '23
Apollo and most other third-party apps use Reddit's data but don't show Reddit's ads, so the proliferation of third-party apps costs Reddit money vs them being forced to use the reddit app which shows Reddit's ads, not ads that generate the 3rd party developer money.
They've just taken the easy/lazy route, rather than work with developers and find the balance where the 3rd party dev is earning x and reddit is taking y through API requests they've just opted to scorch ground and force everyone onto a single app; as any alternative that hits X million requests will start to be charged huge sums of money they can't reasonably sustain through their in app advertising.
The more people forced onto the official reddit app and the new weird web layout the more money each user becomes worth, the more people using alternatives that use API requests to pull through the posts but sans ads the more it costs Reddit themselves.
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u/garganchua Jun 10 '23
Impossible. He has backdoor access and can stop it from reaching that.
He would have surpassed it by now but I KNOW he was manipulating the voting system (not to sound like a trump voter)
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u/SaysShowUsYourDick Jun 10 '23
Trump is the real admin of Reddit, boys
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u/caznosaur2 Jun 10 '23
There should be a reality show called "Real Admins of Reddit"
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u/Neverhityourmark Jun 10 '23
Yea im pretty much done with reddit once the 3rd party apps are gone. Its been real
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u/Purrfect_Silence Jun 10 '23
Same. Going to lemmy now.
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u/Doktor_Vem Jun 10 '23
I'm gonna miss it a lot. Hopefully they get their shit together some day in the future and go back to the ways things are now
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u/Ayocharlie66 Jun 10 '23
I am genuinely considering leaving reddit over this API bullshit. Their app is trash. I use browser once in a while but when it comes to my phone, I will no longer be using it to browse reddit.
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u/Grunt636 Jun 10 '23
The biggest thing pushing people to other apps is because the official one is garbage.
What I don't get is if reddit wants to make a good app and user experience why don't they just buy out one of the good 3rd party apps and make it the official one?
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u/Fmcdh Jun 10 '23
This is the end.
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u/Lucavious Jun 10 '23
It’s not. If there was any alternative to Reddit it would have been the end many times ago, probably when they refused to ban the Nazis.
For now they’re pretty much immune to any criticism because the other sites like Reddit don’t exist anymore.
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u/KeyanReid Jun 10 '23
There wasn’t an alternative to Digg until there was. Then everyone ended up here overnight.
The people who make Reddit what is is today seem the same as they were with Digg.
It’s time to go. We’re all just waiting to see where the meetup will be
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u/TransitoryPhilosophy Jun 10 '23
All of these app creators could create common infrastructure for their apps to plug into and start a replacement using their existing user bases
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u/sati_lotus Jun 10 '23
Give it time. Another site will arise and gradually take over. Takes a few years but it happens.
It's how the internet works.
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u/Lucavious Jun 10 '23
It’s how it used to work. These days the big companies buy out the small ones to avoid ever getting a real competitor.
Fingers crossed for that new Twitter site but it’s already looking as overly complicated as mastodon.
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u/imariaprime Jun 10 '23
It's not about the moral stance; it's a matter of heavy users not getting enjoyment when using the official app. All Reddit truly is, is a dopamine dealer.
Despite claims that only some small percentage of users are on 3rd party apps, individual subreddits have posted wildly larger percentages from their own data (still from Reddit, I'll add). When you alienate that portion, and leave the only remaining option as one that isn't enjoyable to use, they fuck up their own supply.
People won't stop using Reddit for high minded reasons; they'll use it because Reddit is becoming too irritating to use. And the people most affected tended to make an outsized portion of the content that kept other people here.
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u/Lucavious Jun 10 '23
And do what? What will they do instead of all that time they spent on Reddit?
I would love for you to be correct. Genuinely. But social media is an addiction and these threats have been proven to be idle every time, and Reddit keeps growing.
We need a real alternative to actually scare Reddit. I would love that.
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u/imariaprime Jun 10 '23
Normally, I'd agree with your stance. But the alternative is just unusable; the official app is genuinely painful once you know something better. If I said "everyone formerly on Reddit will go and start working out", you'd know I was wrong because that's so much more effort than just scrolling on here. But the leap in unpleasantness from 3rd party to the official app? It's also past that threshold. People are actually deleting their accounts, and the deadline hasn't even hit yet. And that's on top of the general slow decline Reddit has had over the years for various other reasons, all of which make staying increasing less appealing.
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u/Jackanova3 Jun 10 '23
The main Reddit app is borderline unusable. I'll be at the very least massively reducing my time on here once the 3rd party apps go dark. More than likely I'll stop using it all together.
I'm legit a bit sad about it, but it is what it is.
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u/baummer Jun 10 '23
Curious. How is it borderline unusable?
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u/DinoShinigami Jun 10 '23
On my phone videos won't have sound half the time. 10 second videos take forever to load. Comments won't show or won't open. Comments not being posted or comments being double posted. Almost all of my issues disappeared once I stopped using the official app.
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u/Zorenai Jun 10 '23
I have the exact same issues. But sadly, I only found out non-official apps were a thing when this current controversy arose ;_;
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u/Jackanova3 Jun 10 '23
Subjective I guess? I hate it, clunky and filled with ads.
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Jun 10 '23
I’ve just went on to have a look again. Of the first ten posts, five are sponsored posts or suggested posts from subs I don’t subscribe to. If you’re happy to have that shoved down your throat, have at it. I consider that unusable.
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u/vizwaroopam Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
Can someone give the full story? I’m out of the loop
Edit: Damn! These people be really working hard to push away the best set of audience on social media. GG Reddit :)
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u/11099941 Jun 10 '23
API changes, especially so on such a short notice and with an outrageously high pricing, will effectively kill all 3rd party apps. It's not like it won't affect non-users of our superior reddit browsers either, as it will also hit mod tools of which official reddit has none, bots that make massive QoL changes of which official reddit has none, and accessibility features for disabilities and the like of which official reddit has none.
The OP is referring to a discussion between a reddit personnel and the apollo (superior but unofficial reddit app btw) dev where there was a misunderstanding between them that was immediately cleared up (something something if our app is really loud to you on the API and its costing you some 20m or something, why not just silence it by buying the app at half the cost?) but was brought up later by the ceo of reddit as blackmail to buy the apollo dev's silence, costing 10m.
My mind is bad and I already forgot many of the details. Check the stickied post on the apollo subreddit. The blackmail thing is elaborated by apollo dev himself there.
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u/ATMinotaur Jun 10 '23
Basically reddit wants 3rd party apps to pay to use the api, effectively getting rid of them. Apollo let everyone know as he's a creator of one 3rd party app. I think the price apollo was given was 20 million dollars to use the api.
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u/TASTY_TASTY_WAFFLES Jun 10 '23
Not just pay, pay an insanely unreasonably high amount.
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u/auxiliary-username Jun 10 '23
And with only 30 days notice from when the new pricing was announced too.
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u/ExcessiveGravitas Jun 10 '23
And just to prove how out of touch these people are, they pointed out that 30 day deadline shouldn’t be a problem, because while the bill is in thirty days, the first payment won’t be for another thirty days after that. Like all that’s stopping a one-person indie dev rustling up $2m is needing an extra month to get hold of it.
What world do these people live in?
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u/Fakename6968 Jun 10 '23
They don't want 3rd party reddit clients to exist, at least on a large scale. They want to get rid of them without explicitly saying that, so instead they are demanding a crazy high price on crazy short notice which will accomplish the same thing.
The reason being that third party app users are much harder for them to make ad revenue off of. They are designed to provide information and be user friendly. The official reddit app is designed to maximize ad revenue off of each user.
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u/HappyAkratic Jun 10 '23
Yeah, this is obvious from the devs on the AMA saying they've been trying to get in touch to organise paying for the API, and have just had no response from Reddit at all lol. There's no way Reddit actually expected any 3rd party apps to pay for it, so when some wanted to, they just decided to like ignore them?
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u/ExcessiveGravitas Jun 10 '23
Yeah, I saw someone saying they have been trying to get a response from Reddit for three months, and spez was like “oh yeah, sorry, we’ll be in touch now” - like that resolves the problem. “Sorry we ignored you for thirteen weeks so you couldn’t do anything, but you’ve still got three weeks, that’s be plenty enough, right?”
For context, when Apple bought Dark Sky they gave 18 months as a deadline before it would be retired… and after that 18 months they said “actually, you’ve got another year”.
30 months of notice vs 30 days.
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u/LudicrousSpeedGoJr Jun 10 '23
Lol. I don’t even know what is happening.
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u/OP-69 Jun 10 '23
tldr;
reddit is changing its api which will kill off many bots and third party apps since they will have to pay an obsurd fee to continue using them
Apollo is one such third party app, this post was reddit justifying why they needed such a high fee, with reddit admins blatantly lying as you see there
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u/Fixerguy415 Jun 10 '23
Just Psychopathy at work.. Business as usual for the USA
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u/WolfgangSho Jun 10 '23
Late stage capitalism is gonna come for us all, sooner or later :p
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u/formallyhuman Jun 10 '23
I want to know how this dude became CEO of anything.
Couldn't manage a Target. Probably shares a bank account with his mother.
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on one side we have Aaron , beautiful chap who left the earth too soon, and on the other hand we have whatever this stinky eggplant of a dildo this dude is
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u/mh1ultramarine Jun 10 '23
If this isn't fake doesn't this fall into slander tertiary
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u/RhysieB27 Jun 10 '23
It does not! I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.
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u/Wolfsblvt Jun 10 '23
The original line comes from a voice call with the mods though. So it was spoken.
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u/Spector567 Jun 10 '23
Does the Reddit admin not understand that there plan is literally to not do business with him?
I mean they jacked the price so high that the company will not be doing business with him.
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Jun 10 '23
Spez is more pathetic than Musk lmao (who at least has the balls to continue saying what he's saying instead of backing down quietly)
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u/A_H_S_99 Jun 10 '23
Musk having balls: Calls out a disabled employee in public and calling him fake for writing his complaint on Twitter since this is the only way to get his attention. Discovers that this "employee" is worth around 100 million USD and can't be fired, apologizes and pretends its Twitter's fault for not being appropriate for sensitive communications like that.
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u/AriannaSissy808 Jun 10 '23
So Musks balls have been lodged in his throat for years and Spez’s are just in his mouth at this point? Lol 😂
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u/Ein-schlechter-Name Jun 10 '23
don't forget about the part, where Musk then replied to every tweet of said employee for some time, in an attempt to get back on hos good side
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u/bigmacjames Jun 10 '23
Musk doesn't have any sort of fortitude haha. The guy attacks random people who weren't even thinking about him
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u/XxMohamed92xX Jun 10 '23
What a decade to be alive, facebook, twitter, reddit, tiktok, youtube, twitch, all about to die a glorious death.
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u/GreenPlasticWaterCan Jun 10 '23
I'm not familiair with all the politics surrounding Reddit. But Reddit's/spez's greed is evident. Also their incompetence since the "official" app is a broken turd.
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Jun 10 '23
What's the context of this, I'm so lost
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u/PassiveRoadRage Jun 10 '23
Reddit wants to charge bots/ 3rd party apps tons of money and says they don't make money. A 3rd party app creator made a post about it a week or so ago.
The CEO of reddit called the creator of a 3rd party app a liar in a AMA yesterday.
The creator of the app said release the transcripts.
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u/Imprezzed Jun 10 '23
It should be noted that the creator of the app very likely has a recording of every interaction with Reddit…he’s got the receipts.
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u/CPUtron Jun 10 '23
How's Tumblr going these days??? Might go check that out for a bit...
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u/B-O-D-A-R Jun 10 '23
Spez is an idiot and has lost all credibility. Reddit is circling the drain here boi's. To Lemmy!!
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u/NoBSforGma Jun 10 '23
I would imagine that potential investors are keeping a close watch on this debacle.
"Yeah, we're going to ruin the thing that made us great." is not a good look from an investor standpoint.
Whoever told Reddit management it was a good idea to do this to third party APIs at this point, gave them some bad advice. Possibly an accountant with no knowledge or experience of what has made Reddit successful.
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u/Playful-Opportunity5 Jun 10 '23
The initial lie was stupid, but I can't fathom why he doubled-down on the lie in the AMA when everyone knows there's a recording of the call! That just baffles me. When Trump does that, he can count on his followers to back him up, but does this guy have any followers? Does anyone even like him?
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u/Berly653 Jun 10 '23
While I empathize with the many people this will impact, I do have to say I getting the 🍿ready for seeing how this all ends.
Reddit seems beyond incompetent, and you just know this is going to turn into front page news on Monday - and Reddit seems like they’re going to continue to fumble the bag on PR
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u/SafetyGuyLogic Jun 10 '23
That top comment isn't there anymore. I wonder who deleted it....
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u/Culkbros30 Jun 10 '23
God I still want to use Reddit but their CEO is such a shithead. Especially for making it unusable for the visually impaired. I really hope the blackouts make the people behind this website realize that none of this will be tolerated.
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u/Meocross Jun 11 '23
Never thought i would have "reddit admin starting a flamewar with 3rd party developers" on my bingo card for 2023.
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Jun 11 '23
Fuck that idiot. Once Apollo shuts down I’m gone. And their decision to only fisplay NSFW content in the official reddit App will not help them either.
Hey u/spez I hope yiu like it here, it will become quite empty in a few hours. As a social media platform your users should be your everything, guess we going to mastodon now. Hope you loose control over the company for this you lying piece of crap.
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u/Knight-Jack Jun 10 '23
Admin: You blackmailed us in a private conversation!
Christian: [releases the call transcript] please show me where I did such a thing
Admin: WHAT. How could you leak a private conversation like that!!
See, spez, this is precisely why he recorded it. Ya doofus.