r/politics • u/nosotros_road_sodium California • Jun 09 '23
Conservatives, aren’t you sick of Trump’s nonsense?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/conservatives-arent-you-sick-of-trumps-nonsense788
u/The_Arborealist Jun 09 '23
"Those records didn’t belong to him. The Presidential Records Act states, “The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” Do presidents walk off with presidential records at times? Yes. But Trump didn’t accidentally or thoughtlessly walk off with presidential records; he stubbornly insisted they were his."
Presidential records? These are vital classified documents. He's not charged with violating the PRA but with ESPIONAGE.
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u/hjablowme919 Jun 10 '23
Story of his life. He pushes the envelope until he ends up in court, but up until now it’s been business related scams.
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u/Tin_ManBaby Jun 10 '23
Yeah I don't think he's actually reached the level of Federal Court before.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke California Jun 10 '23
The Justice Department undertook its own investigation and, in 1973, sued Trump Management for discriminating against blacks. Both Fred Trump, the company’s chairman, and Donald Trump, its president, were named as defendants. It was front-page news, and for Donald, amounted to his debut in the public eye.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html
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u/Phlypp Jun 10 '23
They were convicted (because it was true) but received a hand slap by promising not to do it again (for those without paywall access).
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u/Fatuousgit Jun 10 '23
That happens when rich people can just "settle" cases against them.
If a poor person defrauds a charity, they are going to jail even if they pay the money back. When a rich person does that...
Especially galling when the poor person may have done it to survive while the rich person just wanted to be that bit richer.
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u/Phlypp Jun 10 '23
Trump had a massive sense of entitlement because he could buy himself out of trouble (e.g., paying students $25 million for defrauding them) or filing bankruptcy whenever his businesses failed. Who loses money running a casino? They essentially money printing machines.
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Jun 10 '23
Do you remember Charles Manson when he would point out the ridiculousness that society convicted him of murders he didn't participate in but even if he were guilty the punishment is stupid because he was alive and the victims were dead. Manson didn't care about being in jail, that wasn't a punishment in his eyes. Trump getting convicted or found responsible in court, it doesn't matter because he always still ended up on top, meaning no one stopped him from doing the thing. The didn't is and the punishment wouldn't stop him from doing it again.
He said it in the second debate with Clinton. He admitted he has no morality. He was sued many times by individuals and states but no one stopped him. He said, "you were in power. You were in power then. Why didn't you stop me?" He has no morality. It is completely externalized and he can't tell the difference between right and wrong because that isn't decided when the action is committed. He still did it all you can do is say he was wrong, but if there is nothing stopping him from doing it again, literally stopping him, then he wasn't found to be wrong.
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u/CO420Tech Jun 10 '23
"Oh shit, my bad. You know how moving is, boxes just get snatched up and you don't always know what's where for quite awhile. Here's the docs."
I still wouldn't personally have believed he managed to accidentally take that many classified documents, but it would have been the end of it for Trump. There would have been no more looking in to it, no more investigation, just half a news cycle about how much he took and was handed back and we all would have forgotten the next day. Shit, if he was smart he could have gone through all those documents ahead of time, taken pictures of them all, and handed them back and there wouldn't have been any accusation against him at all.
He could have even handed them over to Putin somehow and if/when they started to leak and it was revealed that they were the same documents that Trump gave back to the government, it would have actually been quite easy to just say, "yeah, that's what I'm hearing. It is really unfortunate, but I honestly didn't know they were in there and since we didn't realize, it is possible that some of the people moving them could have had access. It is also possible that it is coincidental and the source is somewhere else as these obviously weren't the only copies of these documents. I absolutely encourage a thorough investigation of anyone who might have had access to the boxes before they reached my estate or anyone who may have breached Secret Service security here at Mar-a-Lago with the intent of espionage. I hope for the sake of our country that the perpetrators are brought to justice." Boom - now he's just some guy who fucked up on sorting boxes while moving like we all do and who is concerned about that oversight.
He has to run his fat mouth about everything and act like a petulant toddler when he doesn't get his way. I hope it is his undoing, and the undoing of the entire Trump legacy and the destruction of the wealth that his ilk have gained or will inherit.
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u/snowgorilla13 Jun 10 '23
But the letters Kimmy J sent him... you'll never know the love they share. How could he not deliver nuclear bomb schematics to him. After the Tawdry night they shared in their forbidden grotto.
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u/Philly_ExecChef Jun 09 '23
Can we stop using soft words here?
“Republicans, aren’t you sick of an actual sex predator criminal who has damaged the moral and political fabric of the nation being your nightmarish cartoon mascot”
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u/chungfuduck Jun 09 '23
But this ain't MSNBC or Washington Post. The call is coming from inside the house...
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u/Uncticefeetinesamady Jun 10 '23
“The call is coming from inside the House Of Representatives...”
ftfy
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u/Philly_ExecChef Jun 09 '23
It’s still a softening. When you have nothing good to say, blunt the impact.
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u/protendious Jun 10 '23
This article is literally from a right wing rag. It’s the Washington version of the NY Post. It’s basically saying, even if we like Trump, isn’t there just too much baggage? The article starts with whataboutism, it’s aimed at right-wingers, by a right-winger. Expecting it to be honest isn’t gonna go well.
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u/disgruntled_pie Jun 09 '23
No, I think conservatives like those parts. It’s the losing that they dislike.
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u/sentimentaldiablo Jun 09 '23
You know, although I agree with you, I think they are of two groups (maybe more). First are the "Yeah, I've done some of that shit myself, and I don't see the problem. It's just all sjw bullshit." And then the "What is the big fuss about? So what?" This second group though are vulnerable, because they are seeing it in the abstract. Then when shit happens to them, or their daughters, or wives, then the story changes.
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Jun 10 '23
They should probably start getting used to losing because young voters are sick of their shit and will make their displeasure known.
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u/FrankReynoldsToupee Jun 10 '23
You'd think they'd be used to losing. They've turned it into an art.
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u/someguy233 Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
Yeah but the democrats are going to kill all of the babies!
Then they’ll hire more irs agents take all of our money which we were going to donate to campaigns that’ll oust the democrats who want to kill all of the babies.
Then they’ll take all of our guns which we need to fight off the irs agents who want to take all of the money that we’d give to campaigns that’ll oust the democrats who want to kill all of the babies.
After this, Biden will have nothing in his way to personally come to my house and chop my son’s penis off. He will then rename our country to New Venezuela, change our flag to a rainbow pattern, and make being gay or trans a requirement for high school graduation.
All of the heroes from the shores of Normandy will have died for nothing, we can’t let them ruin our legacy! Trump is our last hope.
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u/linuxphoney Ohio Jun 10 '23
Sure, but they aren't because he is exactly the right mascot. All of the stuff he does is stuff they love. That's exactly what a mascot is supposed to be. You might as well ask the folks of the Ohio State University if they're sick of that buckeye yet. Of course they're not, they love that guy. And he's a literal nut. So it's a pretty good comparison.
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u/Skooma_Lite American Expat Jun 09 '23
The fact some are calling for mass murder and civil war says nup, not for them
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u/WigginIII Jun 09 '23
They love being the victims. These people have such boring insignificant lives with no semblance of joy or happiness that they resort to fantasies of civil war thinking they are the "hero" saving a blonde hair blue eyed damsel America from the clutches of antifa.
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u/ScarletDeparted Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
Exactly.
America was at war for the first two decades of this century. There was ample time and opportunity to sign up and display heroism on or around the battlefield. They could have, but the vast majority of them would shirk the calls to serve during wartime. Now they talk of civil war against their own American citizens, a way to bluster over the emptiness they feel from twenty years of only contributing “Thank you for your service” - while real heroes fought, and died in the desert.
No cute names for them from me. American Nazis. God they make me sick. Traitors and cowards, the lot of ‘em.
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u/StanDaMan1 Jun 10 '23
a way to bluster over the emptiness they feel from twenty years of only contributing “Thank you for your service”
I take issue with this characterization. I don’t think they’re empty due to lack of participation. I think they bring up civil war to scare people into agreeing with them. They threaten violence because they have no other way to enforce their world view.
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u/OldMastodon5363 Jun 10 '23
Some surely due but I think a lot of them think of themselves as a superhero with a gun as a fantasy without thinking it through.
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u/zeptillian Jun 10 '23
I'm a hero.
Then why do you let Trump shit on our country?
To make the libs smell it.
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u/karl_jonez Jun 09 '23
Yeah these lunatics are straight melting right now. It would be funny, but I fully expect the gravy seals to act out and cause harm to someone.
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Michigan Jun 09 '23
I’ve seen it in this sub. Some MEAL Team Six wannabe said he’d throw rocks at someone else’s hanging family. Wild shit.
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u/PM_ME_JAR_JAR_NUDES Virginia Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I’ve seen it in this sub. Some MEAL Team Six wannabe said he’d throw rocks at someone else’s hanging family. Wild shit.
I'm here for it. These people need to understand that people aren't scared of them: They're just tired of them saying everything and not doing anything. We have a right wing terrorist problem in this country, and I welcome these chucklefucks finding out just how alone, ineffective, and vulnerable they are when they finally do what they say they will. The more of them that do it, the faster we can start locking the problem up.
And yeah, any of you bombastholes out there, you think you have people at your back, but you don't. Most of you are cosplay. For every five of you, four of you would turn witness and everybody knows it. When you build a coalition out of people who are constantly afraid, out of people who lack the ability to empathize with others, and lack the capacity to construct a cooperative society built on mutual respect, you don't really have allies. You just have people who haven't yet turned on you.
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u/Michael_G_Bordin Jun 10 '23
When you build a coalition out of people who are constantly afraid, out of people who lack the ability to empathize with others, and lack the capacity to construct a cooperative society built on mutual respect, you don't really have allies. You just have people who haven't yet turned on you.
On top of the fact that they're cowards, this is important to consider. Their movement falls apart any time it tried to coordinate. The best of the best of their most motivated and willing are now behind bars serving felony sentences for their failed insurrection. A combination of stupidity, lack of substance, and unfettered selfishness best describes their ranks.
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u/love_glow Jun 10 '23
I can only imagine how many psyop foreign actors are stoking fires in the Donald trying to take this country down from the inside.
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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Jun 09 '23
A random chud found my phone number and messaged me randomly at 3am (probably on some recruitment website somewhere) to pontificate about “being single and having cats”, as if it was the worst thing in the world.
For people who claim they have such a “free-thinking, independent” streak, they sure like to lash out about men and cats…
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u/Findinganewnormal Jun 10 '23
Oh no, not single with cats! I’m currently playing with one of my cats with her favorite wand toy and she’s so adorable and I can guarantee whatever loser it was who searched you out has never had a better Friday night than the one I’m having right now with my adorable little goofball.
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u/borkborkbork99 Illinois Jun 09 '23
Delta Farce is getting big angry this week.
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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jun 09 '23
The inbredsurrectionists aren't gonna take it anymore.
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u/Agitated-Tadpole1041 Jun 09 '23
Y’all quieda is up in arms
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u/Alatain Jun 10 '23
The Yokel Haram are fired up
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u/HellsBellsGazelles Jun 10 '23
Vanilla Isis are melting down
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u/darthabraham Jun 10 '23
“The Oaf Keepers came to me with tears in their eyes …”
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u/gnomebludgeon Jun 10 '23
but I fully expect the gravy seals to act out and cause harm to someone.
They won't, not en masse anyway. You'll possibly get one or two shooters but, as mentioned in another thread, this is America and we shoot each other over taking too long in the drive thru.
What we're most likely to get is a couple isolated incidents like the dickhole who attacked the FBI office with a nailgun and spent his last hours trying to get people from Truth Social to join him before shitting his life away in a cornfield.
Treating the MAGAbloc like they're an actual threat is what gives Trump his power. They aren't.
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u/FoxEuphonium Jun 10 '23
They already have. They’re already trying to murder trans people in red states with fake Estrodial.
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u/tirch Jun 10 '23
Yep. This indictment is kinda throwing a wrench in their plans to try and bully and assault trans people in June. I imagine they were so happy planning their month of fake outrage against gay people, then orange menace gets indicted. Poor fucking assholes.
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u/Heelajooba Jun 09 '23
Those dix were just waiting for an excuse to go apeshit on innocent people. If DJT's indictment didn't do it, I'm sure something else would have: like people publicly drinking Bud Light.
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u/TheGoverness1998 Texas Jun 09 '23
"What da hell you doin?! U better put down that gay drink boi!" 😡
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u/slowpoke2018 Jun 09 '23
Additionally that this rightwing rag calls espionage and treason "nonsense" is a big tell that they really don't think it's that serious.
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u/rgvtim Texas Jun 09 '23
You make the mistake of thinking these buffoons are a homogeneous bunch, conservatives in the vein of Mitt Romney were always fed up with him, but they still dropped to their knees. Q annon folks they will never be tired of trump
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u/restore_democracy Jun 09 '23
It’s their choice to believe it.
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u/WildYams Jun 10 '23
Even this supposedly critical article against Trump starts off like this:
Maybe the federal charges against Donald Trump will be as weak as Alvin Bragg’s charges were. Certainly, President Joe Biden's Justice Department is politicized and weaponized.
Right wing media is still unwilling to just be honest about what is going on, even when they've supposedly had enough of Trump. If the right wants to truly move on from Trump they just need to admit that the Democrats are not conducting a "witch hunt" and that all the criticisms and investigations and allegations against Trump are credible and legitimate and that they were wrong to have ever supported him. If even their media can't do it, then their voters never will, and that's why Trump is certain to win the GOP nomination and lose the 2024 election.
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u/plainlyput Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I just heard on NPR, someone speaking at the GOP convention in Georgia say we are living in a 3rd world country, if a sitting President can weaponize the justice dept. against their opponent, a former president.
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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Jun 10 '23
Pretty goddamn rich for a party whose current candidate ran on a platform of "Lock Her Up!" targeting his political opponent.
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u/2hats4bats Jun 10 '23
Who also threatened to withhold foreign aid to get the president of Ukraine to falsify an investigation against his opponent, and whose second leading presidential candidate is currently weaponizing his state’s government against a business for speaking out against him.
The GQP LOVES going after political opponents.
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u/FeedMeYourGoodies Jun 09 '23
I popped into a certain conservative subreddit a couple times today and people are starting to turn on him.
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u/drunkpunk138 Jun 09 '23
Give it a day. They always do this then revert right back to their bullshit once Fox news spins it for them.
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u/KennyDROmega Jun 09 '23
Bingo.
Soon as Hannity or Ingraham gives them their talking points, they'll be right back on their bullshit.
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u/SunRepresentative993 Jun 09 '23
Yeah once Tucker Carls-oh, wait…
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u/pseudocultist Arkansas Jun 10 '23
Nah he's got a show on Twitter again so the dedicated can find him.
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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Jun 09 '23
Without a doubt.
And yet, they’re the “free thinkers” and “independents”…
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u/jay105000 Jun 10 '23
They all repeat the same crap it is unbelievable, it is like a forwards and backwards recording.
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u/thewinterzodiac Jun 09 '23
Fox News lead investigation reporter is saying it's legit and the ones against Biden aren't lol
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u/bin10pac United Kingdom Jun 09 '23
I don't blame them for trying to keep their noses clean after having to cut that heavy Dominion cheque.
They'll be back on the lies soon enough.
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Jun 10 '23
it's not like fox news is done lying all day they just will be careful to do it against a major company.
they can lie all day about biden and nothing will happen
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u/GuidotheGreater Jun 09 '23
They have him on tape showing a classified document to people and saying he knows he can't declassify it and that he is not supposed to do it.
You can't put a spin on that.
They also have a lot of text messages where he directed the documents to be moved and in one case... disappeared.
I read the Cohen indictment and I thought it was a bit weak. This one he is dead to rights.
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u/Coooo8 Jun 10 '23
Their spin will be "Biden probably did it too! EVERYBODY does it!" That's what happens when you back a Trump supporter into a corner.
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u/kia75 Jun 09 '23
What do the Opinion shows say?
Fox news is interesting in that their News section is just as good as the other news channels, their polling is top tier and better then the other news channels, but their primetime lineup and website is so full of opinion pieces and thoughts that it's difficult to find any actual news or accurate polling! I'm certain Fox News is going to have a story buried somewhere on their website confirming what every other news organization is saying, but 98% of their channel and website will be pushing "opinions" that Trump should not have been charged and Biden is far more guilty then Trump.
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u/kmurp1300 Jun 09 '23
Their news reporting on 1/6 was good. Then their opinion team came on at 6 and I had to turn it off.
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u/Procean Jun 09 '23
And the current spin appears to be "Hillary wasn't prosecuted, so Trump shouldn't be."
My favorite thing is that it was Trump's justice department that didn't prosecute Hillary Clinton, which makes the idea "Because Trump turned a blind eye, he gets to break all the rules."
(Or, just maybe, Hillary Clinton's actions weren't nearly as criminal as candidate Trump claimed).
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u/vague_diss Jun 10 '23
Taxpayers have spent millions investigating the Clintons. They’re either criminal masterminds capable of thwarting the FBI and DOJ from multiple administrations or they didn’t do anything.
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u/jay105000 Jun 10 '23
And she never took the fifth, never!!! and Trump well like 400 times even after he said that just “the mob take the 5th” so he is basically comparing himself with a mobster.
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u/socsa Jun 10 '23
Yawn. Show me the tape where Clinton euphorically flaunts classified documents to random visitors just to brag.
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Jun 10 '23
yeah they need daddy to tell them what to think. they'll be back in line soon enough. 30 percent of humans love authoritarianism.
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u/BooksandBiceps Jun 10 '23
Checked in on r/conservative today and it's a shitshow. People calling for revolution, conspiracy theorists saying "Oh so he's guilty just because the DoJ thinks so" (I think the exact quote), or saying that because he's drawing so much attention he must be doing something right.
Or maybe he's just that fucked up and constantly commits crimes.
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u/davehunt00 Jun 09 '23
It's important to remember that in political demographics, everything is a gradient. Hard-boiled/brainwashed Maga-ites are not likely to ever come to grips with their irrational attraction to DJT. However, there are plenty of people that fall more towards the independent or "fiscal conservative" side of politics and are absolutely turning away. We only need 5% of them to "see the light". Part of the problem is the GOP party having literally no answers to any of today's issues other than villianizing minority groups and cutting taxes. So, it is a hard step for those that now see Trump for who he is, even this late in the game.
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u/RicksterA2 Jun 09 '23
'Fear & Hate' along with tax cuts for the rich and corporation is all today's GQP does.
Period. Nothing to help the country, our democracy, our economy, the Constitution, citizens, the middle class, etc.
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u/Icy_Comfort8161 Jun 09 '23
I had to see it for myself, and you are correct. However, after having seen the tide turn, and then come rushing back for Trump I'm gong to temper my optimism. There have been so many "surely they'll dump him now that this has come out" moments in the past that I've come to realize that he probably could shoot someone on the street in NY and not lose his voters. Hopefully this time is different.
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u/Rhysati Jun 10 '23
Trump has no hope of winning even if 10% don't turn on him. Desantis won't win either as he is currently getting less and less popular while having the charisma of a damp wash cloth.
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u/Bitter_Director1231 Jun 09 '23
A broke clock is right only twice a day.
Pence sort of redeemed himself at his running for President speech and today ran right back into the fire going on and on about weaponization of the government.
He just can't help himself from breaking from the cult.
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u/corvid_booster Jun 09 '23
Well, it's not any matter of principle, right? That they're now pushing him out just means they've figured the odds are better with some other reprehensible.
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u/OnwardTowardTheNorth Jun 09 '23
If they weren’t sick of it after:
1) Trump siding with Nazis 2) Trump pushing election lies 3) Trump attempting to blackmail Zelenskyy 4) Trump inciting an insurrection 5) Trump pressuring the Secretary of State of Georgia and various other states 6) Trump withholding classified documents 7) other things that I failed to list
Then these conservatives are not SICK of Trump: they are JUST sick.
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u/momoenthusiastic Jun 10 '23
Lol. Spewing all kinds of false analogy and conspiracy theories while melting down, it’s spectacular.
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u/originalityescapesme Jun 10 '23
If they can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone. They could do it to YOU. They ARE doing it you!
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u/smiama6 Jun 09 '23
Turned to Fox and Newsmax and they are both busy talking about the weaponization of government and Biden going after a political opponent and how fast the government went after Trump when they’ve slow-walked the investigations into Hillary and Hunter…. Nothing has changed for the conservatives.
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u/MyLastThrowaway1313 California Jun 09 '23
Agreed. They will ignore the facts in the indictment despite how much of the evidence is from his own insiders. It's scary really when you think about what they will and will not believe.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 Jun 10 '23
It has me uncomfortable in my red state. I'm single & everyone I have met is a Trump supporter (late 50s). Looking at the single life for awhile. Hopefully not forever.
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u/MyLastThrowaway1313 California Jun 10 '23
I admit I would not do well in a red state.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 Jun 10 '23
It is disheartening. I'm in a small town with my parents. I know hardly anyone. It sucks except I am happy to be with my aging parents.
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u/laura4584 California Jun 10 '23
I put it on fox earlier to see what they were talking about, and it was seriously aliens. During Jesse Watters. I have no idea what his show is like, but unless aliens land on earth, or something, a former president being charged with federal crimes should be the main news story.
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u/Icedcoffeeee Jun 10 '23
It's like that scene in Succession. "You're not serious people."
They're just not a serious political party anymore.
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u/ryo242 I voted Jun 09 '23
Unexpected actual headline!
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u/Lhamo55 Jun 09 '23
And from an unexpected source.
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u/rotates-potatoes Jun 09 '23
I guess this means the powers that drive the Republican party are giving up on Trump. Wonder if that means they're all in on DeSantis, or what?
No way they'd go rogue and print this without coordination.
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u/p001b0y Jun 09 '23
12m Americans believe violence is justified to restore Trump to power
University of Chicago research finds support for violence to achieve political goals and general distrust of democracy.
Two and a half years after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, an estimated 12 million American adults, or 4.4% of the adult population, believe violence is justified to restore Donald Trump to the White House.
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u/jay105000 Jun 10 '23
If this is not terribly alarming I don’t know what it is…. Those people they talk about are your police officers, your nurses or doctors, your coworkers, your firefighters, the guys that delivered your stuff, the teachers of your kids, your neighbors….. something to think about.
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u/The_God_King Jun 10 '23
If the powers behind the republican party, the billionaires, had any control over the monster they created, we would never have had the trump problem in the first place. Trump is the worst thing to happen with the monsters that have been masquerading as conservatives for 50 years because he brings all of the hateful shit they feed on to the forefront and shines a bright ass spotlight on it. He galvanizes sane, rational people against them because he shows us what their base really thinks.
And its all their fault. They have spent decades feeding their base a steady stream of hate and vitriol and abject stupidity, all to whip up more support and garner more votes. But it finally reaches a critical mass and went critical, and now they've completely lost control of it. Look at how romney and mcconnell handle trump. They talk a big game, but then do absolutely fuck all about him. Because they know that he's sinking the ship but if they actually step in to stop him, they'll alienate the majority of their base.
They're fucked, and it's their own damn fault. And good, because fuck them.
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u/iroquoispliskinV Jun 09 '23
Ok we get it Washington Post, same as usua-
Oh.
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u/C4SSSSS Jun 10 '23
Yeah exactly. The justice department is apparently biased against conservatives. Lol! Even the bastards who wrote that nonsense are sick of trump’s shit.
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u/Fabulous-Ad6663 Jun 10 '23
My parents frickin believe it 😭 And they believe Biden is much much worse than that. I don't even like Biden but he was the lesser of two evils by far
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u/SmurfStig Ohio Jun 09 '23
That’s what I thought!! Stopped reading once I saw “Washington” expecting Post. Saw some other comments and had to scroll back up… Holy smoke!
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u/nosotros_road_sodium California Jun 09 '23
So much they even are abandoning Fox News for mere inconvenient facts such as their guy losing Arizona.
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u/baeb66 Jun 09 '23
At least when Ronald Reagan did his unethical stuff, he was trying to win the Cold War and rescue hostages. Trump did what he did with no concern for the fallout and with no greater good in mind.
About the level of discourse I would expect from the Washington Examiner. It's okay to break the law, sell arms to hostile countries, prop up governments who commit war crimes, kick start the crack epidemic, etc., if we get something out of it. JFC.
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u/rupiefied Jun 09 '23
The smart ones have been but the mob of drooling idiots won't take anyone but trump and they will lose without the idiots.
They could have gotten rid of trump with the second impeachment he wouldn't be able to ever run again and they could have jumped behind desantis and kept the same hate train going.
Instead they decided to keep on rolling with the orange menace.
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u/Racecarlock Utah Jun 10 '23
Oh for the love of god.
IT'S NOT TRUMP'S NONSENSE.
This radical neo nazi bullshit has been around for way longer than trump ever has. It was there when people were protesting school immigration as communism. It was there when a nazi rally was held in Madison Square Gardens. It was there when Martin Luther King Jr. got shot by the FBI. It was there when Reagan let hundreds of LGBT people die from aids because it was "God's punishment".
All trump did was get a bunch of neo nazis who don't normally vote to vote. That's it. That's all he did to get in. All the mistakes, all the incompetence, sure, that doesn't help, but trump did not create white nationalism. Or eugenics. Or bigotry.
And, by the way, no, they're not sick of it. When trump got a bunch of neo nazis who don't normally vote to vote, it put the republican party in the strongest position it had been for years. The supreme court is now firmly conservative. The republican party can now eternally grift off of the "Donate to save america" line.
So what's the problem? Well, there are a lot more normal people than there are extremists. That's the long and short of it. That's why Joe Biden won the 2020 election. But the thing is the conservative party hasn't realized this yet, and even if they have, they now depend on those neo nazis who used to not vote for votes. Which means that now they're stuck in the uncomfortable position of either losing a ton of centrists or a ton of extremists.
And frankly? They deserve to be in this position. Old ideas give way to new ones for a reason. Wanting to stick with the old ways forever and wanting to turn the clock back to the 50s as if that will solve anything is why they're here. The sooner the GOP collapses, the better. If we must have two parties, then let one of them be, I don't know, the green party or something.
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u/teaanimesquare Jun 10 '23
I used consider myself a conservative on a lot of things but now I have totally switched, I cannot vote R anymore. The man legit converted me to Democrat side and I do not even like them much but I cannot stand him and them any longer.
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u/maritime1999 Jun 10 '23
No they are not, dont you get it a good majority of them want a civil war, they want to kill liberals, and democrats. Do not fool your self, do not pretend or underestimate what 40 years of hate radio, and fox news has done to the Republican party, they have been radicalized, made into hardline partisan extremists. the mob choose Trump not the other way around remember that
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u/Sportabout Jun 09 '23
I'm currently in a car with my conservative Aunt and Cousin and no, they aren't sick of him yet. 🙄
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u/matadata Jun 10 '23
Certainly, President Joe Biden's Justice Department is politicized and weaponized.
Stopped reading here. The author can't even reach a 3rd sentence without making a claim that's unsupported by facts.
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u/DrGoblinator Massachusetts Jun 10 '23
If you’re not upset that the security of the United States was compromised, you have no business calling yourself a fucking patriot.
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u/mrbbrj Jun 09 '23
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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u/PrincipleInteresting Jun 10 '23
Truth be told, I was sick of Trump’s bullshit in the late 1980s, back in the early Spy Magazine era. I just consider myself ahead of the curve.
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u/ConferenceIll530 Jun 10 '23
64 year old male, Arizona, voted all Democrat last election first time ever.
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u/Manny12 Jun 10 '23
Conservatives don’t care. Remember when they spent 8 years talking about Obama’s deficits and debt?! Trump increased the deficit and debt every year he was in office, not a peep from “conservatives”.
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u/ranchoparksteve Jun 09 '23
Conservatives used to imagine that they were decent, moral people. Nowadays, conservatives don’t put a lot of energy into pretending. They’re busy following the lead of a dude who doesn’t have a conservative bone in his body.
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u/nowmeetoo Jun 09 '23
A lot of conservatives won’t even acknowledge trump did anything wrong, ever.
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u/Up_words Jun 10 '23
It's been 7 years and I'm still completely amazed when I see people waving Trump flags.
These are the dumbest mother fuckers on earth and it's not close.
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u/SeparateAddress9070 Jun 09 '23
Stop pretending like they’re different. Conservatives endorsed this man, they deserve to all face consequences for it.
Not a single GOP voter is innocent of this treason.
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u/nowmeetoo Jun 09 '23
A lot of conservatives won’t even acknowledge trump did anything wrong, ever.
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u/KennyDROmega Jun 09 '23
Not clicking on anything from the Examiner, but no, they aren't.
This is why they like him. He pisses the people they don't like off more than anyone else, so they will support him to the bitter end.
Being able to inflict him on others is the goal. That's it.
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u/jazzismusic Jun 09 '23
Conservatives, "No."
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u/HWCSPS83 Jun 10 '23
Middle leaning common sense loving conservative-ish and I’m so fucking tired of this guy. Go away already.
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u/bensonnd Illinois Jun 10 '23
Conservatives are a national security threat.
Between selling nuclear secrets and affecting the readiness of the US Military because of their hate, they are putting us in some pretty serious detriments.
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u/JanFromEarth New Mexico Jun 10 '23
To be clear, I am a Conservative. I believe in fiscal responsibility which is different from being against all taxes. I want my leaders to at least PRETEND they are faithful to their spouses. I have a strong aversion to supporting anyone who raped a woman. I believe cheating your vendors is NOT an acceptable business practice. I am perfectly willing to listen if you think the election, in which you lost was rigged, I expect one piece of evidence not off the page of opinion. Am I tired of Trump? Well, like many conservatives, I am an independent now.
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u/Zombull Arizona Jun 10 '23
Wow, I'm pretty certain they'd call you a communist.
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u/Puterman Montana Jun 10 '23
Big 2nd Amendment advocate, but I'd sooner vote for Joe than any of the current GOP Nazi bastards.
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u/ike7177 Jun 10 '23
I am absolutely freaking 💯 SICK of this guy! Never once voted for him and actually lost dear family members to his cult. People I would never ever have guessed would follow him blindly. It makes me so furious that he was able to fool millions into thinking he is a good person. DISGUSTING
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u/welldonebrain Jun 10 '23
Trump is just one part of the issue. The other part is…all of their other policies also suck and do nothing to improve the lives of Americans. Can’t think of one net positive republican policy making has had on my life in the last decade+.
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u/NecessaryRhubarb Jun 10 '23
Conservatives are a failure. The entire platform is built on either a lie (trickle down economics), or is socially regressive. You can’t cut taxes enough to account for the massive budgets they support.
There are two parties in the future, one that supports corporate interests, and the other that supports workers interests. The Conservative era is over.
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u/BulbasaurArmy Jun 10 '23
Maybe the federal charges against Donald Trump will be as weak as Alvin Bragg’s charges were. Certainly, President Joe Biden's Justice Department is politicized and weaponized.
The Examiner is a right wing rag and can get fucked.
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u/Safelang Jun 10 '23
Stop calling them “conservatives”, they are “Anti American” anarchists, period. Whether their anti Americanism is fueled by foreign adversaries aiming to drive a wedge to destroy America from within OR is just a faux outrage to gain personal attention & relevance for subsequently grifting off it, is hard to nail down in the present complicated nexus of politics and modern media complex. The conservative tag is just their faux garb to hide their intent to commit anarchy, and they don’t give a damn for the consequences or health of the SOTU, so long as it personally benefits them. Look at all the familiar cast lining up behind the Treasonous former Potus, you think they have the best for America in their hearts & minds?. They would all rather sell out to the highest bidder and move on, leaving the rest in shambles. It is tough times for America leading up to 2024 and beyond, whether American Democratic values and the concept of “one set of laws that apply to everyone” will prevail over the rotten high corruption that has set in, remains to be seen.
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u/Bitter_Director1231 Jun 09 '23
Not only have they been complicit during their run of the cult, which it is, they are calling for mass murders and civil war. They are in drinking the poisoned Kool aid mode right now. So there you have it.
Not surprised at all. Knew this would happen, but it had to happen. The coddling stops here.
Bring it on fuckers. Your turn in jail is next.
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u/Ktycan Jun 10 '23
No one has ever elevated their hate to a seat of power like trump has done for them and they’re not going to let him go. They’re so angry and terrified of women, the lgbtq community, people of color, atheists, democrats, immigrants, etc and anyone who isn’t a conservative white man - they couldn’t quit him if they wanted to (PS - they don’t want to)
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u/cracksilog California Jun 10 '23
Conservatives: vote en masse for a person with zero political experience
Guy with zero political experience: fucks everything up because he has zero political experience
Conservatives: shocked Pikachu face
Maybe vote for … I don’t know … someone who had political experience next time? Is that so fucking much to ask?
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u/r1dogz Jun 10 '23
Clearly not, seeing as their second choice is DeSantis, who is basically a more competent fascist without all the baggage.
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u/CharlesB43 Jun 10 '23
How could you be sick of it? you're constantly being fed the notion that Trump tried to take down the scum of the government but they rigged an election to stop him and are currently trying to prosecute him to get back at him.
They've done a great job of trying to spin every crime this man has ever committed into an underdog US VS THEM story where donald trump is the 100% american bred perfect specimen that will bring this country back to the way it used to be.
On the outside looking in we can see through all the bullshit but they're way too close to the narratives being spun that they can't tell what an actual scumbag, piece of shit criminal Donald J Trump is.
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u/LordSeltzer Jun 10 '23
Trump's nonsense represents a system of white supremacy that's dying, so no. They're not sick of it. They're fighting like hell, trying to convince their children and proteges to be as selfish, greedy, and self serving as they are. As arrogant and vain, inconsiderate of mother earth and finite resources. Ice caps, who needs those?
God forbid everybody get a DECENT life while rich people still exist in some fashion. We don't need to be psychic to know greed grows in some people like cancer.
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u/Timely_Summer_8908 Jun 10 '23
It should be clear by now they don't care about right or wrong. It's all about owning the libs. It's so, so, stupid and petty.
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u/dbeman Jun 10 '23
If you’re really into the Marshall Tucker Band, only attend their concerts, read their media and exclusively socialize with other fans; you would come to believe that the Marshall Tucker Band was the greatest, most popular band in the world. You’d dismiss the fact that The Beatles sold more records than them as “fake news.” You’d call their exclusion from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame as “politically motivated.”
Trump’s disciples believe his hype, not facts. They’re so indoctrinated the lies told by Trump and his allies become fact. They’ve lost the ability to think rationally…assuming they had that ability to begin with.
Scientology, NXIVM, Heaven’s Gate, Peoples Temple. MAGA. Same shit, different wrapper.
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u/HeroDanTV Jun 10 '23
A lot of posts I’ve read from conservatives don’t address the facts of Trump’s guilt at all. It’s completely about fighting back. The problem Conservatives have is that they blindly welcomed and followed a conman like Trump and now they have the sunk-cost fallacy of doubling down because admitting Trump is guilty means they were wrong about him from the beginning. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/greeperfi Jun 10 '23 edited 13d ago
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u/Ello_Owu Jun 10 '23
They're mostly willfully ignorant to his crimes and misgivings. They block it out and scream "fake" if it gets too big to ignore.
In their world, everyone is corrupt and sleazy, but Trump is their corrupt and sleazy guy. They've built their entire identity around him and their support for him. They're the personification of a sunk cost fallacy.
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u/MC-Fatigued Jun 10 '23
“I don’t like Trump but this is obviously a political prosecution ” - the galaxy brains over at r/conservative
It couldn’t be that Trump is just a criminal. It’s got to be a giant conspiracy spanning the entire federal government, the courts, and the media.
It must be exhausting to live in that fantasy world.
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u/jabdtx Jun 09 '23
One of the many reasons I will always be willing to pay the higher cost of living to be in a giant blue city. Gladly.
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u/Takeonlyone Jun 09 '23
A President is caught committing espionage and republicans want to call it political motivated…I’m tired of children acting like gang members running our country in the fucking ground…our children will never know the true pride of American unity…it’s only my team vs your team mentality
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u/BleuBoy777 Jun 09 '23
No. They aren't. They want to continue to feel like they are oppressed and attacked whilst calling everyone else a snowflake.
They want to continue to feel oppressed whilst bathed in privilege .
They want to continue to create division whilst crying about how they feel excluded.
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u/ComatoseCrypto Jun 09 '23
I’m finding an interesting response around justice in the conservative forums/discussions, but it always includes “what about Hillary, what about Biden”. Pointed out in a few forums (absolutely not defending trump) that Trump may be so literally stupid that believes his lies around “illegal documents” that other parties may have retained that he’s justified to himself that what he has/shares is completely legitimate/fine. We’re quite literally dealing with the Peter Griffin of politics
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u/Cabezone Jun 09 '23
I played a few minutes of the local, supposedly neutral but really right wimg extremist, talk show and they led with the fact that you can't trust anything out of the Democratic administration.
So no they don't give a s*** about his crimes.
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u/Aretirednurse New Mexico Jun 10 '23
Nope, they still love him the traitorous adulterous con man who held a bible upside down.
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u/palabear Jun 10 '23
Multiple felony charges = nonsense. Wonder what Trump would call a non-white with multiple felony charges.
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u/HellovahBottomCarter Jun 10 '23
Considering there is an entire Clown Titanic filled with jackasses who made their entire political identity in his image?
No. I don’t think they are.
They may get sick of TRUMP, specifically. Because he is INSANELY incompetent and way too obvious with his crimes.
But his nonsense? That’s literally their favorite, most beloved thing in the world.
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