r/politics • u/jerrylovesbacon • Jun 10 '23
Trump acted like 'the Godfather if it was reenacted by a 5-year-old' to try to keep his hands clean in Mar-a-Lago case: experts
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-godfather-tactics-hide-documents-from-fbi-2023-6925
u/wish1977 Jun 10 '23
Trump's lack of intellect cannot be underestimated.
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
Crossed with pure narcissim
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u/comma_in_a_coma Jun 10 '23
As well as being told he is special just because of who he is not what he does his entire life
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Jun 10 '23
He's not a serious person.
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u/comma_in_a_coma Jun 10 '23
He’s not a functional person. But notice how he never actually tells a joke. He just says insults people think sre funny
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u/oneobnoxiousotter Jun 10 '23
Penn Jillete has said that he really has no sense of humor, or a stunted one at best. He apparently doesn't laugh. Same goes for music.
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u/mycarwasred Jun 10 '23
But, but... tRump proved he had a 'sense of rhythm' when he was dancing and fondling Old Glory at CPAC
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Jun 10 '23
Narcissist.
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u/comma_in_a_coma Jun 10 '23
Mixed with sociopathy
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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel America Jun 10 '23
His daddy hated him
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u/dancin-weasel Jun 10 '23
Can’t really blame old man Trump on that one. Most of the world agrees.
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Jun 10 '23
Fred Trump spent a lifetime adoring Donny, and using his extreme wealth and local political power to be the ultimate snowplow parent. The orange shitstain is a product of parents who told him he was the greatest, the best, the smartest and brightest. Then Fred used all of his power and wealth to make it so, and to smooth the path, no matter what was in little Donnie's way, or how bad he continually fucked up.
Fred repeatedly bought a spot for Donny at distinguished educational institutions where the boy did not belong. Fred asked a podiatrist, a tenant of his, to get Donny out of being drafted for Vietnam. Thus, the fake "bone spurs" diagnosis. As a reward, Fred gutted and renovated the doctor's offices at no charge and never charged him another dime for rent for several decades until the doctor retired. Fred bought three million dollars in casino chips, as one of Donnie's Casinos was hours away from failing, literally saving the place. It didn't help in the end, as Donald tried and failed multiple times to build and or operate successful casinos in Atlantic City. Eventually, having destroyed four of them. He grifted hundreds of millions from investors, and stole tens of millions or more from contractors, suppliers, vendors, lawyers, architects, engineers and others that he just stiffed when it came time to pay up. In the end, the gambling commission told him to find a new place to grift, and GTFO of NJ.
In an insanely detailed and rigorously verified investigation, the NY Times carefully documented that Donald, over the course of his lifetime, received over 400 million dollars worth of Fred's wealth. Fred did so many illegal, immoral, and fucked up things to keep his boy Donny above the water line. For Fred it was a lifetime of assuring that Donny failed upward, every time, it's both sad and funny. Donald, being the psychopath he is, could never admit any of this, and believes that his lifetime of fuckups, are in fact nothing but wins, and he is a "self-made multi-billionaire" His origin story is an absurd, easily disprovable lie about "borrowing a million dollars from daddy, and immediately paying it back, to start DJT's global, and wildly successful empire".
It's like being four years old and getting to walk on a MLB field between games. Dad walks over, drops a ball in your little glove, and tells you that you are a star. You then spend a lifetime talking about your famous career as a MLB star player.
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u/DirtyReseller Jun 10 '23
His daddy was right.
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u/WingedGundark Europe Jun 10 '23
Wasn’t the daddy also a major asshole?
If so, one would think that such person appreciates scammy and ruthless behavior in his offspring (seeing his own image in his boy and such), but even he saw that his son is just one sad sack of shit.
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u/nolongerbanned99 Jun 10 '23
I don’t disagree but what do you mean by this . . Non functional person.
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u/comma_in_a_coma Jun 10 '23
Missing the qualities to actually be considered a functional adult. Imagine if didn’t have enough money to coast on being a real estate goblin and reality tv star for literally 7 decades. Imagine him like working in an office as like a mid level drone. Do you think he’d last like a week at your job?
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Jun 10 '23
Lol! The part when Trump asks his lawyers if they can just get rid of docs reminds me of Frank’s and Karl’s reaction to finding Logan’s will in the safe!
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Jun 10 '23
Yes! I loved that scene. If only they would've thought to flush that paper down the toilet.
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u/Importrtfd Jun 10 '23
I can't think of a better ending to this madman's deranged political career that brought us to the brink of fascism.
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u/cliff99 Jun 10 '23
Barely average intellect plus narcissism equals Trump.
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u/gdshaffe Jun 10 '23
His intellect is well below "barely average". If I had to guess, I'd say he has a serious learning disability that has gone undiagnosed his whole life. Specifically, he seems utterly incapable of processing any form of abstract thought.
Even the most basic of metaphors whiff over his head. "The oval office is round because there are no corners to hide in" completely stumped him. It's just that he's rich and shameless and so very few people call him out on it.
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Jun 10 '23
I just read Defector’s take on him, and while like most of their pieces it’s a bit long winded, the thesis that he was “unaffected” by the presidency rings true.
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u/ddouce Jun 10 '23
"You do not know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump. You just don't." -Fran Lebowitz.
"Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had” — Professor William T Kelly
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u/rimshot99 Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I think this is the only defense against a long sentence. Trumps lawyers need to detail how breathtakingly stupid he is. Injecting bleach, sharpie treatment of weather maps, thinking the citizens of Kansas City from the great state of Kansas… they could go on for days.
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u/oneHOTbanana4busines Jun 10 '23
Him squinting at an eclipse will never leave my brain
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u/SheWhoVotes Jun 10 '23
Trump's lack of intellect cannot be underestimated.
What's even more terrifying: the MAGAs believe "he's super-smart!!!"
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u/No-Menu-2524 Jun 10 '23
I wonder how many times throughout their investigation Jack Smith and his team uttered the words: "Surely, he couldn't be that stupid?"
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u/PossessivePronoun Jun 10 '23
“I’ve got, like, a very big, uh, brain”
—Donald J. Trump, former President of the United States of America
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u/sheezy520 America Jun 10 '23
Imagine a guy that can’t learn anything because he thinks he knows everything.
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u/TrumpsCovidfefe Jun 10 '23
I see you’ve also met my ex husband! I’m so thankful for my experience seeing what a narcissist was in real life. Seeing Donald Trump become the nominee for the CONS made me overcome a lifetime of republican brainwashing done by my parents. I finally voted for my first democratic nominee (Hillary), for the first time in 16 years, and have never looked back. I was always socially liberal, but brainwashed to believe that economically liberal policies were harmful in the long run. So I will always be thankful that this narcissist opened my eyes to the truth. Will never vote R again, unless I could vote for a prison sentence as a jury member.
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u/ConfidenceNational37 Jun 10 '23
He’s entertaining in the worst ways possible and I think that makes him seem more harmless than he is. Hitler and most fascists are this way
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u/wish1977 Jun 10 '23
Well said. I don't think his followers have any clue how dangerous he is to our country.
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u/TrumpsCovidfefe Jun 10 '23
Let us just be really thankful for the secret service agents and police that DID do their job that day.
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u/jadrad Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
There’s intellect and there’s cunning.
Trump has average intellect and a genius level of cunning.
So many people buying into that narrative that Trump is a hapless idiot explains how he was able to outplay the political establishments of both parties, as well as multiple directors of the FBI, and why he has gotten away with committing crimes his entire life.
Trump has been in over 3,000 civil lawsuits throughout his life - many of which he paid to settle because of rampant fraud - but he’s never been criminally charged until now.
Why?
Trump knows that to be prosecuted for a crime, the prosecution needs to tie him directly to the crime, and that it also needs to prove his criminal intent.
How has he avoided that?
- He directs and manipulates other people into committing crimes for him by implying then pressuring them into giving him the outcome he wants, and by feigning ignorance about the illegality of his request. He also plays the idiot when committing crimes himself.
“Why can’t you find me 11,000 votes?” “I don’t see why it would be Russia who attacked the election”. “I have total declassification power and I can declassify even by thinking about it”. “Name one of these groups. Proud Boys? Ok, Proud Boys stand back, and stand by.” “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?”
- He assiduously avoids leaving a paper trail that could tie him to his crimes - he doesn’t email or text - while amassing blackmail (tapes and receipts) on all of the people around him to keep them in line and throw them under the bus when he needs to save his own skin.
“James Comey better hope there aren’t any tapes!” “You’ll have to ask my lawyer Michael Cohen about Stormy Daniels because I never met her” “My staff packed the boxes. I never saw any documents.”
Why is he only finally being criminally charged now, after 60+ years of rampant criminality?
Because after more than 5 years of the smartest and most seasoned investigators and prosecutors at the DoJ scouring for evidence, tapping phones, and trying to flip Trump’s minions and co-conspirators (including successfully flipping Trump’s mob lawyer Michael Cohen), they finally finally got their hands on one tape recording of Trump slipping up and revealing his intent in committing a crime so serious that he won’t be able to pay his way out of it.
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u/Terriblevdr Jun 10 '23
Here's hoping Trump rots in prison for the rest of his life, the traitorous fuck.
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u/Notysenberry-3116 Jun 10 '23
Cofefe
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u/CalligrapherVisual53 Jun 10 '23
Covfefe…
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u/Notysenberry-3116 Jun 10 '23
Whoops. Had hamberder grease on my fingers and missed the V.
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u/nolongerbanned99 Jun 10 '23
It’s that, combined with a sense of arrogance and entitlement, that brought us to this day.
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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Jun 10 '23
"It's just mind-boggling how someone can get away with so much for so long when they are so bad at it," he said.
He was protected on all sides by Republicans and foreign agents. They closed ranks and put him in the White House then enabled his behavior.
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u/flonker2251 Jun 10 '23
"It's just mind-boggling how someone can get away with so much for so long when they are so bad at it," he said.
It isn't really that mind-boggling when you understand that individuals that are representatives of an elite societal and economic class are granted leniency in the interpretation and rule of law while also being able to wield an amount of influence that isn't available to the general public. If anyone "did so much" while being "so bad at it" without the resources that were available to Trump, they wouldn't have gotten away with it.
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u/w-v-w-v Jun 10 '23
Not only would they not have gotten away with it, they probably would be arrested before they even finished doing all of it.
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u/WoodySurvives Jun 10 '23
That's the thing that puzzles me, with all the classified information known to be at risk, that they didn't move much faster on this, to try to stop it from ending up in the wrong hands.
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u/ChromaticDragon Jun 10 '23
with all the classified information known to be at risk
I believe this is the fault in your reasoning. This is likely a false assumption.
When alerted, the FBI moved quickly enough. We all saw the efforts of the DoJ to recover classified documents last year along with their court filings documenting the need for the government to execute the pertinent risk assessments.
It would seem they were less concerned about trying to recapture the horses after the barn door was opened and more concerned about documenting the lost horses and chasing down the ramifications of having lost said horses.
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u/Easy-Professor-6444 Jun 10 '23
He was protected on all sides by Republicans and foreign agents.
That Venn diagram is just a single circle really...
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
And he managed to get others to the the fall, his previous lawyer up to and including his son Eric (fir the kids charity scam)
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Jun 10 '23
As a pathological narcissist, he sees his offspring as being on a spectrum from worthy of worship, to disposable. There is a scale that descends from Evanka (probably the only human he comes close to actually feeling any true emotion for) and Donnie Jr (whom he sees as molded in his image) The scale then drops like a rock down to Eric, then has Barron and Tiffany falling off the other end. Once you get past JR, I really don't think he would shed a tear if the other three were all killed in the same plane crash.
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u/Neutreality1 Jun 10 '23
And he barely cares about Junior. I honestly think he only cares because they have the same name
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u/That_Shape_1094 Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
They closed ranks and put him in the White House then enabled his behavior.
It is our laws and government bureaucracy than enabled Trump's behavior. Our current laws give too much power to the White House. We relied too much on "tradition" and "respect for the office" to regulate the behavior of any sitting US President. This worked when you have traditional politicians like Obama or Bush, but when we have someone like Trump who basically ignores these unspoken "rules" and "traditions", the system breaks down.
Trump won't be the last President that ignores these unspoken traditions and rules. Congress needs to do its job and pass legislations to curb the power of the White House to prevent another future Trump.
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u/thescoobymike Jun 10 '23
He literally did an interview for a book and showed the guy his classified documents while telling him, “This is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me."
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u/SnowedOutMT Montana Jun 10 '23
I liked the one where he was like "This is confidential stuff, so don't get too close" while showing him the documents. Like, his proximity to the documents was going to get him in trouble or something.
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u/RicardoMultiball Kansas Jun 10 '23
"Stand right there...and I can only show you the pages very fast, 'kay?..."
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u/Cornholiolio73 Jun 10 '23
Reminds me of the SpongeBob episode where they go treasure hunting with Mr Krabs. He won’t let them look at the map. The map is rolled up while Mr. Krabs is sleeping and SpongeBob and Patrick start touching the map but not looking at it lmao and then it unrolls accidentally so they look at
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu America Jun 10 '23
What gets me about this part is that the author likely told him he would be recording.
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u/Attinctus Jun 10 '23
Trump wanted it recorded so he wouldn't be misquoted.
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u/ThatWhiteKid08 Jun 10 '23
And then he’ll turn around and say “no. Never said that, wasn’t me”
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u/nopointers California Jun 10 '23
It’s not just “likely,” it says right in the indictment that he knew it was recorded. Paragraph 33, at the top of page 15.
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Jun 10 '23
He sees these things as trophies he won, as proof he was president. He knows most of the other elites don’t have them.
People keep suggesting a plan to sell out the nation, and I agree he’s easy to bribe, but he’s also so dumb. He’s dumb enough to go “mine” and then show it off.
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u/Digitosa Jun 10 '23
The transcript reads like a kid who found a porno mag for the first time. Wowee, look at these big honkin plans. Aw so cool. Don't stand too close, k? I was the one who found it. "Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me." Yeah. Because you're the commander in god damn chief. I worked at an insurance company and was given social security numbers left and right. I wasn't shocked like "yo. Look. These people are just giving me their SSN's. Wow. Look. Look." It was part of the job.
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u/brightlocks Jun 10 '23
Man my brother and I at least knew enough to take the porno mag to the abandoned half built house to show our friends. We didn’t store it in our own bathroom.
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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 Jun 11 '23
The worst part is his argument demonstrates a frightening misunderstanding of how things work.
He's saying "They are slamming me because they say that I wanted to go to war with Iran but this document was given to me by the military and it contains a plan to attack Iran. Therefore it is the military that wants to attack Iran and not me."
The document that he's waiving around is part of a massive library of documents that is constantly being updated by military planners. In that library there are plans to attack (and defend from) every country at multiple different scales from minor raids to full-scale regime change. It isn't outside the possibility that there are military plans to attack the UK or France.
These documents are not there because the military is preparing to attack every country. They exist so that if the elected civilian leadership wants to employ the military to attack a target, then the military is already ready with a plan.
The entire goal of the military is basically "be ready". Be ready for attack, be ready for defense, be ready for special operations. These documents are part of that readiness.
Trump is so massively ignorant in many ways, but the argument he is trying to make really demonstrates that his ignorance is a real thing and not a show he puts in for his base.
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u/coffeeandtrout Washington Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
“According to McClanahan, if you removed the consideration that Trump is a former president of the United States, the indictment looks like "a routine espionage case" like the ones against Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner, and Harold Martin.
It's extremely rare for prosecutors to lose espionage cases.
"This is one of the most incriminating speaking indictments I've seen in a very long time," McClanahan said, laughing.”
Well, I’m laughing too goddamn it. This is a great way to start a weekend. Wondering how the folks at DWACstock are doing?
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
Yup that's the thing- if it was any other federal employee they would be arrested already.
Yet MacCarthy Pence etc are saying he's being treated unfairly. They too are traitors.
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u/I_am_the_Jukebox Jun 10 '23
Reading the charging documents, and the government has a strong case. These are clear cut laws, and they have substantial evidence that he knew he was breaking the law
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u/coffeeandtrout Washington Jun 10 '23
There’s another post with Lawfareblog breaking it down, I highly recommend it. BRB, gonna edit it in, best write up I’ve read.
Here it is:
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u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88 Jun 10 '23
The entire Mar-a-Lago case is like a bad episode of Arrested Development, it’s far too stupid to be believed.
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u/Somerandohamster Jun 10 '23
The dialogue is straight out of Arrested Development, especially the 'off the record's followed by 'we have a problem's part of the audio.
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u/Spankywzl Jun 10 '23
"I'm gonna make him an offer I can't understand." - Don Donald
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Jun 10 '23
"He made a funny motion as though — well okay why don't you take them with you to your hotel room and if there's anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it," Corcoran later memorialized.
In other discussions, Trump was more explicit about hiding documents from the FBI, the indictment says.
"Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?" Trump said, according to the indictment.
"Well look isn't it better if there are no documents?" he allegedly added later in the meeting.
Have to stay, I'm stunned and thrilled Corcoran wrote all this down.
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u/Niqulaz Jun 10 '23
I can't understand why any lawyer would ever take on Trump as a client, knowing that there's going to be all sorts of illegal shit going on that might simply outright stain the rest of your career, or even quite probably get you thrown in prison for what the wannabe mob-boss you worked for did.
At least someone was smart enough to have a CYA-strategy in place from day one.
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u/Miguel-odon Jun 10 '23
Three of the young lawyers who helped Bush in Bush v Gore (2000) were rewarded with seats on the Supreme Court. No telling how many others got nominations to lower courts.
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u/Zachariah_West Jun 10 '23
In the end, Trump was brought down by his own stupidity and hubris. I can't think of a better ending to this madman's deranged political career that brought us to the brink of fascism. Here's hoping Trump rots in prison for the rest of his life, the traitorous fuck.
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u/Dear-Bandicoot7087 Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
Trump has an assigned team of secret service agents for the rest of his life. They’re with him all the time. They go everywhere he goes. How does someone with lifelong secret service detail go to prison?
And wouldn’t his knowledge of US secrets make him a very easy target by other prisoners? That doesn’t just put him in danger, it puts the US government and entire military in danger.
I think he deserves to go to prison but there’s no way that’ll happen. Most likely he’ll serve his term under house arrest.
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u/i_lost_my_password Massachusetts Jun 10 '23
I agree house arrest is most likely, but they could put him in Florence Supermax, not likely to have a chance to talk to anyone unmonitored there.
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u/trekologer New Jersey Jun 10 '23
I'm sure that they can stand outside of the jail cell. They don't go into the bathroom with him, do they?
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u/desconectado Jun 10 '23
Given his age and situation he won't be locked in the same cell like your average Joe.
People should realise by now he won't see a jail anyway. Pure wishful thinking. Wealthy and powerful people are not held to the same standards as the rest.
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u/AsynchronousChat Jun 10 '23
He's going to claim he pardoned himself, producing a signed document.
He'll flee before he pleads out.
I expect him to be held in contempt before the trial resolves.
I know he'd be a fool to take the stand, and would expect the 5th in any case where he has to - but i do wonder if his arrogant, stupid, narcissist head thinks he just needs to take the stand and set things straight.
I think contempt, then he chooses to testify, answers a carefully scripted set of q's from the defense after pleading the 5th through cross.
While toofing the whole time showing nothing but contempt for the judge, prosecutor, and court.
He's gunna display open contempt for the court, produce a signed and dated self-pardon, and finally attempt to use the witness stand as a pulpit. He'll never plead. He would flee, first.
I vote exile.
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u/guilty_bystander Jun 10 '23
Guess what country he'll be running off to
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u/notyomamasusername Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
It's going to be a funny development to watch him living in "exile" with Putin.
Seriously if that happened, I wonder if it would hurt or help his chances getting elected
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u/Mornar Jun 10 '23
From what I've hear he's notoriously impossible to shut up despite his defense's advice. They'll destroy him on cross.
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He’s going to claim he pardoned himself, producing a signed document.
Nah, he’s probably going to pull a Michael Scott and post something to Truth Social basically stating: “I DECLARE MYSELF PARDONED!!!!!!!”
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u/Brassballs1976 Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
Holy balls, he's cornered like a trapped rat, and he's still claiming* innocence,
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u/Mornar Jun 10 '23
He will be screaming innocence from behind bars at anyone willing to listen, he has no capacity of admitting wrongdoing or failure.
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u/Smack1984 Jun 10 '23
Best description I’ve heard of the Trump administration: “It’s like the plot of House of Cards played by the cast of Veep”
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u/FC37 America Jun 10 '23
Ron Howard needs to get the cast of Arrested Development back together to recreate the scenes laid out in this indictment.
Replace Jeffrey Tambor with Alec Baldwin as Trump, I don't care. We need this.
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u/canuck47 Jun 10 '23
"I may have committed some light treason"
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u/wynnduffyisking Jun 10 '23
Man, Barry Zuckercorn is gonna save the day! Barry is very good.
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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia Jun 10 '23
This is my favorite part:
It's extremely rare for prosecutors to lose espionage cases.
"This is one of the most incriminating speaking indictments I've seen in a very long time," McClanahan said, laughing.
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u/EivorIsle America Jun 10 '23
Best analogy ever!
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
Someone else referred to it as stupid watergate
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Jun 10 '23
“The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.” - Deep Throat (Hal Holbrook), All the President’s Men, 1976
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u/Utterlybored North Carolina Jun 10 '23
As my wife says, “We should be thankful he’s a complete bumbling idiot. The next fascist may not be so stupid.”
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u/Iamaleafinthewind Jun 10 '23
omg I was thinking it was like someone crossed the Godfather with Dumb and Dumber
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u/zombieblackbird Jun 10 '23
For someone who's been at the crime game this long, he sure did go full amateur hour.
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u/TrumpsCovidfefe Jun 10 '23
He did what he’s always done in his mostly civil court cases: intimidate witnesses, brazenly tamper or destroy evidence, and pay people in enough high places to get things to go in his favor. That all worked, mostly, for him in the past. The problem he ran into is that the US government is not going to back down, and instead, is going to tack on charges, instead of slinking away from the intimidation. Trump finally got into a situation he couldn’t handle the way he’s always done, and those instincts were so ingrained that he’s been just digging a bigger hole. Let us just hope and pray that the remaining judges and other government appointees see the writing on the wall and that instability in government is bad for our precious capitalism. And let us just take a moment to reflect upon how close we were to having emporer trump, was it not for a few very brave USSS officers and police officers, especially Eugene Goodman.
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u/Twelvey Jun 10 '23
Reality Winner got 5 years for one document she snuck out in her underwear. Big boy had nuclear weapon secrets by the box next to the shitter in his hotel. Fuckin A...
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u/No-Menu-2524 Jun 10 '23
Is this Walt Nauta character currently roaming free or has he been spirited away to some black ops site?
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u/Busterlimes Jun 10 '23
Jesus Christ I can't wait for the movie to come our. These headlines are the funniest things I've seen in YEARS. Will Farrell would be an amazing Trump
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u/Jon_Bone_Jovi Jun 10 '23
I still can’t believe this idiot was president. How is this their guy? It’s still absolutely mind boggling.
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u/wtf-you-saying Jun 10 '23
Tbh, everything the man does reminds me of the actions of a five-year-old.
What a LOSER.
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Jun 10 '23
This is absolutely a slam dunk case.
Except it isn’t.
First time indicted a former president*
Judge he appointed
Jury selection is going to be a bear
Hopefully optimistic, Trump deserves set in the darkest well we have in a black site.
I’ll take losing Mars, house arrest in a condo, no internet
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u/EivorIsle America Jun 10 '23
The case is solid. The judge won’t remain after her antics last time. They’ll motion for reassignment and get it, even if they go to the 11th circuit again.
I doubt it will be a jury trial, he’ll take a plea deal.
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u/HopingForSomeHope Jun 10 '23
You know, up till this point, I’d have agreed with you on the plea deal.
But this man is so unfathomably stupid with unquestioningly loyal voters that I think he might be dumb enough to try to fight it.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 North Carolina Jun 10 '23
trump is a malignant narcissist. he is incapable of accepting a plea.
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u/EivorIsle America Jun 10 '23
Yes, he is a narcissist. He also will be presented with a deal he can’t turn down.
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Jun 10 '23
He absolutely should plead guilty.
The man never has once.
His lawyers will tell him to, over and over and over again.
He’s not going to. Man’s dug in like a tick
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u/EivorIsle America Jun 10 '23
He’s taken pleas before in civil cases. Look at Trump University. Criminal charges here are tighter than his wallet.
He will be found guilty. He can’t pardon himself if he should win in 2024…there is no fucking way he wins this. Zero.
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Jun 10 '23
He won't. He'll try to draw this out in hopes that a Republican wins in 2024 and pardon him.
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
Curious - why can't he get out of it if he is elected?
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u/ConfidenceNational37 Jun 10 '23
She’ll get to read the indictment to her master and then be removed. Jack delivering. Sorry I doubted the man.
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u/pl487 Jun 10 '23
Narcissists can't admit guilt any more than they can jump over the moon.
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u/jerrylovesbacon Jun 10 '23
And he's going to use every delaying tactic possible.
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Jun 10 '23
Finding a “criminal”lawyer is top of his notepad
Edit: we are lucky slipping Jimmy isn’t available
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u/Weird_Algorithm Jun 10 '23
Double down, flood the zone with shit.
Just like Cohn, Stone and Bannon taught him.
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u/Zander826 Jun 10 '23
Remember that debt that was coming due?!?! This is how he is paying for that (and his brainless followers donating). Secrets are valuable! Follow the money! Check the bank records
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u/thereverendpuck Arizona Jun 10 '23
Even a 5 year old would’ve done a better job. A kid will lie better and hide things better. When no one in power was around, all signs are pointing that Trump wouldn’t shut the fuck up about what he had.
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u/covfefe-boy Jun 10 '23
In the indictment, per his own lawyer:
He made a funny motion as though – well okay why don’t you take them with you to your hotel room and if there’s anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it out. And that was the motion that he made. He didn’t say that.
The Diaper Don asked his attorney to remove any really bad docs from the batch they were gonna turn over to the FBI per the subpoena.
But of course he doesn’t directly say it. He implies and makes a “plucking motion”.
The lawyer knows this is bad and puts it in his contemporaneous notes. Dump’s own lawyer judo reverse throwing him under the bus. The indictment really spells out the obstruction shell game with Agolf front and center.
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u/LongjumpingRisk3901 Jun 10 '23
Why people are into this turd is baffling to me. Ok sure, maybe you like racism, sexism and bigotry, fine. But how can you worship an man that is this dumb?
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u/bdone2012 Jun 10 '23
"I found it hilarious that some of his most incriminating things were recorded by his lawyers," McClanahan told Insider. "Beautiful."
I assume this is just the tip of the iceberg
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u/Morty_A2666 Jun 10 '23
Trump is an idiot. I mean clinically speaking. I bet if there was ever independent IQ test done people would be shocked with results.
That speaks volumes about his voters.
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u/Oolongjonsyn Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 10 '23
I evaluate IQ's. It may be disappointing, but I'm pretty sure his IQ is just average. If by clinically speaking, you mean low enough to have an intellectual disability, I am very sure he is smarter than that. He seems much more intelligent than the individuals I work with who have 70 and below IQs, which is the upper limit of intellectually disabled. People seem to underestimate how dumb average can be.
Edit: his lack of political/legal knowledge, ignorance, arrogance, lack of foresight, narcissism, and history of getting away with crimes causes him to do incredibly dumb shit. But in my opinion it isnt due to a lack of cognitive ability that he makes these mistakes.
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u/VladtheInhaler999 Jun 10 '23
Donny, when a plot against the emperor failed, plotters were always given a chance to let their families keep their fortunes.
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Jun 10 '23
On October 19th, 2016, sports business reporter Darren Rovell tweeted:
I feel bad for our country. But this is tremendous content
I have to say the same thing about this.
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u/CatosityKillsThCurio Jun 10 '23
I know what they mean.
But I also love how on the surface, at least, the title seemingly implies that somewhere out there is a community of people who specialize in the study of 5-year-olds re-enacting the Godfather.
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u/covfefe-boy Jun 10 '23
My favorite part of the indictment is what looks to be testimony from one of the Diaper Don's own lawyers about a meeting with him when they had a folder of the classified docs they were going to give to the FBI the next day to respond to the subpoena.
Trump said the lawyer could take them home, and pluck out any bad things in there. He didn't actually say that, instead Trump said something that he hopes nothing bad was in there and was making a "plucking" motion with his hand while talking to the lawyer.
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u/latter_daysainte Jun 10 '23
I knew when this freak was elected it would be a complete sh-t show of criminality. He’s a serial liar and criminal. Even his idiot son Eric early in the election of 16 said we get our money from Russia. And of course the GOP went along with this jerk!
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u/rikitikifemi Jun 10 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Really have to stop correlating intelligence with power.
Trump is a major part of the power structure, so the people who rely on his authority, status, and resources have a vested stake in what happens to him. He's insulated by the system itself and he's intelligent enough to know that and use it to his advantage. What's unique, perhaps is that he brags about his privilege and protection, when most of the elite gaslight the public about meritocracy and equality and democracy.
He doesn't have to be smart or stupid.
He is simply untouchable, or "too big too fail".
He will only be "punished" when he can be replaced without the entire establishment collapsing or being irreparably damaged.
Perpetuating the propaganda that he's "crazy" or "stupid" rather than taking advantage of his privileges of class is itself crazy and stupid.
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u/PDXalreadtused Jun 10 '23
5 yr old is the proper age, he always looks like a giant inadequate toddler…
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