r/politics • u/lucerousb Arkansas • Jun 10 '23
7 Years After the Pulse Nightclub Shooting, Florida Must Reject Hate
https://time.com/6285934/pulse-nightclub-shooting-florida-lgbtq-essay/131
u/PittsSports1113 Jun 10 '23
Florida must reject DeSantis then
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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin Jun 10 '23
Which they’ve already failed to do.
The GQP is terrible at governing, cruel and short sighted, but they are great at manipulating their slavering base into voting against their own interests.
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u/gdex86 Pennsylvania Jun 10 '23
DeSantis is the puss filled boil caused by the underlying condition; Yeah popping it is going to feel good but your just going to get another one unless you deal with the cause. Which is republican politics, especially the grievance politics they trade on in social issues.
Until either their voters care that starting fights over where a trans person pees doesn't actually help them in their everyday lives or people who sit on the sidelines get so pissed off they vote against republicans there is no price to pay politically for doing it and someone else will just go to the well of hate again.
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u/magicone2571 Jun 10 '23
If you haven't read the book by Bob Igger you should at least read the opening epilogue. Bob discusses how the shooter at Pulse was actually staking out a Disney property. They had him on camera and everything. For some reason decided not to and went to the first club that came up on his phone.
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u/bn40667 Jun 10 '23
But instead, they are doubling down on the hate.
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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky Jun 10 '23
Most of Florida loves the hate. Think they bathe in it.
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u/vbm923 Jun 11 '23
Yeah, sit down, Kentucky.
Most people on the ground don’t support Desantis’ nonsense. Stop falling for his political theatre.
Mitch McConnell has done more damage to America than possibly any other human in my lifetime. A flash in the pan Florida Governor isn’t affecting you. McConnell has fucked up the lives of all Americans hugely, on the other hand.
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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky Jun 11 '23
stop falling for his political theater
Seems to keep working for him, at least in his state.
Mitch McConnell's done more harm
Yup. I don't know why you thought that was a gotcha for me just because I live in Kentucky. I hate that fucker.
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u/r1dogz Jun 10 '23
I mean, the one thing I’d point out is Florida has probably the most top sided ageing population in the US, so when they all start dying there will be a shift back to the young who tend to vote Democrat.
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u/Trainstopper14 Jun 10 '23
I think more left leaning people leave red/ purple states than vice versa.
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u/walkerb79 Jun 10 '23
Or the DNC needs to pretend like Florida isn't a lost cause and get some action going into the state. They're plenty of leftwing voting citizens in Florida....
Only like 25% of Floridians voted in 2022 Midterm election. We need voter turn out and candidates that motivate voters (not Charlie Crist 2.0)
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u/chrissesky13 Florida Jun 10 '23
https://www.dos.myflorida.com/elections/data-statistics/elections-data/voter-turnout/
Unsure what you're referencing. According to the Florida supervisor of election site the 2022 general midterm election had a 54% voter turnout. Not monumental sure but it's double what you're claiming.
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u/gonzar09 Jun 10 '23
Considering their track record for voting in hate-filled gaping assholes with tiny dick energy, I don't have much faith that'll happen anytime soon.
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u/That_Shape_1094 Jun 10 '23
Everybody should reject hate. And we should be rejecting those people who refuse to reject hate. The best way is to stop going to Florida for vacations. A boycott of Florida is going to send a strong message that actions have consequences.
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u/KnowingDoubter Jun 10 '23
A tourist going to Florida is like someone upvoting a nazi post. It registers as support.
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u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar Jun 10 '23
The reason Floridians don't seem to give a fuck about what is best for Floridians is because a massive chunk of people in Florida aren't from Florida and they don't plan to stay. This is a State that doubled in population from '83-'23. People come here to escape their State for a while, or to die. The long term interest of our State doesn't interest our people. That's why we're such a culture war sideshow. People like me, who have actually made a home here, care about legislation that impacts our lives. But we are outnumbered.
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u/Lumbergo Jun 10 '23
See also the state of the education system in Florida - for the last several decades. It was fucking awful when I was there in the 90s / early 2000’s because so many transplants had the attitude of “we already paid for our kids, why the fuck should we pay for yours!” I can only imagine the state of despair it’s fallen into the past 5 years or so. 2016-2018 was a turning point where everything began to go seriously to shit in Florida.
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u/sumo_batarang_720 Jun 10 '23
Quite frankly if the Pulse shooter lived and was imprisoned for state murder charges rather than federal terrorism charges, I genuinely believe there is a solid chance, above 50%, that DeSantis would pardon the shooter.
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u/littleuniversalist Jun 10 '23
Hate is the prime tenant of modern Conservatism though. I suppose violence is up there also.
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u/Spartanfred104 Canada Jun 10 '23
Florida tripled down on hate. But please, tell me about the fantasy you Believe exists in the state, I'll wait...
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u/JubalHarshaw23 Jun 10 '23
Florida is embracing hate and openly inviting the worst of the worst to move there.
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jun 10 '23
Why are people always ignoring that this was an Islamist terrorist attack?
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u/fractal_pudding Oregon Jun 10 '23
it was a right-wing terrorist attack. their religion makes no difference.
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jun 11 '23
Of course the religion makes a difference, as Islamism was Mateen's motivation. He even pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Right wing/left wing classifications lose a lot of utility here. Traditionally, political Islam tended to be aligned with western far leftists.
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u/fractal_pudding Oregon Jun 11 '23
who has ever suggested ISIS was a "western far leftist" ideology?
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jun 11 '23
Nobody.
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u/fractal_pudding Oregon Jun 11 '23
Traditionally, political Islam tended to be aligned with western far leftists.
somebody did.
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u/the_inside_spoop Jun 10 '23
Like they said below. Start talking about white Christian terrorist attacks before you get upset people aren’t calling this one Islamist. At the end of the day justifications for bigotry aren’t important, because bigoted people will find any justification. If it’s not religion, it’s ‘science’ or ‘civilization’
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jun 11 '23
When Christianity is the motivation for an act of violence, especially by someone white, it gets talked about a lot in the media.
So why should it be ignored when the motivation is Islam and the perp from Afghanistan?
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u/Spector567 Jun 10 '23
Because it was a lone guy. The people around him described him as violent and bigoted many had complained.
And articles refer to him as a domestic terrorist.
I’m short it’s be kinda like saying that most school shootings, and other hate crimes were Christian terror attacks. Overall it adds little to the description of what happened and why.
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u/idontagreewitu Jun 10 '23
A lone guy who repeatedly swore allegiance to ISIS while massacring people in that night club.
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jun 11 '23
What does him being a "lone guy" have to do with ignoring his motivation just because it doesn't fit the agenda certain media outlets want to push?
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u/Spector567 Jun 11 '23
What narrative? That the guy was a lone wolf gay hating bigot who shot up a gay bar because he hated them?
His motivation was being a bigot. As opposed to the many other Islamic terrorists who blew up the world trade centre and other organized attacks for geopolitical reasons.
You can call him an Islamic terrorist. I don’t really mind. But I think it’s giving him more credit than he deserves.
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u/the_reifier Jun 10 '23
Why must they? Based on their voting habits, the average Florida person seems to enjoy hatred. Not sure what’s redeemable about that.
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u/accountnumber42 Jun 10 '23
Yeah, hatred in Florida is a feature, not a bug. People need to stop traveling there and giving the state of hate tourism money.
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u/r1dogz Jun 10 '23
I mean they’ve elected DeSantis twice since then, so I’d say they haven’t been doing that…
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u/YakiVegas Washington Jun 10 '23
God, has it REALLY been 7 years already? Sometimes I lose all hope that my country will ever do anything about gun violence.
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u/betterwoke Jun 10 '23
They must but they can’t say gay. It’s hard to deal with your homophobia when you can’t mention homosexuality.
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u/Analthumbsucker Jun 10 '23
Just wait until Herr Trump institutes his dictatorship. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Jun 10 '23
We have known for years that Pulse was not an anti-LGBT attack, that in fact Mateen chose the club at random. Yet this fiction is allowed to persist because it suits the narrative.
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u/HugeCartographer5 Canada Jun 10 '23
Yawn. Even though Mateen's political beliefs were erratic (he claimed he was in both Hezbollah and ISIS even though those groups aren't even the same sect of Islam) he had a very clear and obvious hatred of gay people (his own father is very homophobic and recalled witnessing his son wretch at the sight of a gay couple kissing). Mateen also had clear admiration for violent anti-gay groups like ISIS (even if he was clearly not a member as he claimed). Oddly for an Islamic extremist, he also seemed to have a strong hatred of Hispanic people. The Pulse club was hosting a 'Latin Night' event catering to locals (Orlando is a mostly Hispanic city which Mateen traveled to from hours away).
He knew exactly what he was doing. It is a fact that Pulse was not Mateen's first target (he scouted Disney World before realizing how tight their security is), but that doesn't change the hatred he held towards gays. Next time try arguing that the Pittsburgh shooter wasn't an anti-Semite.
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u/trogdor1234 Jun 10 '23
Republicans have attacked Disney’s acceptance of gay people for a looong time. It’s not out of the realm of also being an anti-lgbt crime. Pulse night club shooting happened a week after 2016 gay days at Disney. Not sure when he decided against the attack.
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u/HugeCartographer5 Canada Jun 10 '23
Florida must reject the Voice of America as well, who funded the Afghan-targeted talk show that the Pulse shooter's father hosted. Look at who he was and his hateful views, he is no less guilty than the Sandy Hook shooter's mother (who was a right-wing survivalist and trained her son how to shoot). The Pulse shooter had anger issues and was likely mentally ill, in addition to holding all the Islamofascist views his father had.
A simple phone call (perhaps by someone in the Trump campaign who wanted a Paris-style attack on America ahead of the RNC) would have cause his doctor to cancel his mood stabilizers. Trump may have branded himself as an 'outsider', but he had connections to the government. Lobbying will get you those.
"God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality' -Pulse shooter's father, the day after the shooting happened.
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u/YggdrasilsLeaf Jun 12 '23
And yet Florida is actively doing the exact opposite.
Funny how that works.
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